# DHS is now trying to sneak into schools **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 14, 2025, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dhs-is-now-trying-to-sneak-into-schools/1017044 "2025-04-14T18:51:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dhs-is-now-trying-to-sneak-into-schools/1017044/1 "2025-04-14T18:51:47Z")
Of note, these were Homeland Security agents and not ICE. Apparently they were in plainclothes and not only didn’t identify themselves, but told the front office they were family to see certain students … in an elementary school. My district has assured us that agents wont be let in (not that they won’t try to trick us, right?! see above) and reminded us we cannot physically obstruct federal agents in the performance of their duty. So if I’m gone for a week or more, I’ll probably be raising bail money. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dhs-is-now-trying-to-sneak-into-schools/1017044/2 "2025-04-14T19:08:21Z")
Cite, I guess: > **[Plainclothes DHS Agents Lied to LA School Officials to Question Elementary...](https://www.commondreams.org/news/can-ice-raid-schools)** > > Los Angeles schools stood strong against federal immigration agents who lied to gain access to question children. Why would Homeland Security target first graders? In New York, a community rallied for the safe return of detained children. I can’t seem to find anything about them claiming to be family, though. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dhs-is-now-trying-to-sneak-into-schools/1017044/3 "2025-04-14T19:15:36Z")
Sorry, rushed the typing [authorized by the family](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/feds-agents-la-schools-welfare-check-migrant-children-120731013) > The officers were denied access by both principals. The department’s explanation followed harsh criticism by Superintendent Alberto Carvalho of the Los Angeles Unified School District, who said the agents lied to school staff that they had been authorized by the children’s parents and caretakers to go to their schools. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dhs-is-now-trying-to-sneak-into-schools/1017044/4 "2025-04-14T19:27:04Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Of note, these were Homeland Security agents and not ICE. AIUI Homeland Security Investigations is [organizationally](https://www.ice.gov/about-ice) under ICE. (Why this way and not more logically the opposite, we’d have to ask some retired member of the W administration.) > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > the agents lied to school staff that they had been authorized by the children’s parents and caretakers to go to their schools Again as in many other posts: the despair in knowing that **this kind of people** are **already** the ones in these jobs. They **will not disobey** an immoral or unjust order, they **will not quit rather than enforce** an immoral or unjust policy, and on the contrary, they seem EAGER to carry them out. And never mind, soon there’ll be another Executive Order decreeing that any jurisdiction or agency or employee thereof HAS to obey HSI no questions asked or you will have all funding cut and be investigated by DOJ. ---
**Author:** ![Steven\_Maven](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steven_maven/32/3272_2.png) [@Steven\_Maven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steven_Maven)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dhs-is-now-trying-to-sneak-into-schools/1017044/5 "2025-04-15T00:53:28Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Apparently they were in plainclothes and not only didn’t identify themselves, but told the front office they were family to see certain students … in an elementary school. At every elementary school I ever heard of, if your name is not on the official list, you don’t get access to the children. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dhs-is-now-trying-to-sneak-into-schools/1017044/6 "2025-04-15T01:08:55Z")
Yeah, there was a situation a couple of years back where my diabetic niece had forgot her meter and test strips, and her mom and stepdad (my brother) were both at work and unable to leave. Mom asked me if I would take the equipment over to the school to give to my niece. They’d forgot to put me on the emergency contact list, though, so I didn’t get past the secretary until a shitload of phone calls to verify that it was okay (at the time, my brother was a captain at the local maximum security prison, so reaching him was almost an impossibility). Luckily, my niece wasn’t experiencing anything drastic with her sugar, and the school nurse had the proper equipment on hand in case of a big issue, but I encountered the type of roadblock that you’re referring to. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dhs-is-now-trying-to-sneak-into-schools/1017044/7 "2025-04-15T01:35:12Z")
[As has come up on various threads, and addressed to the collective ‘you’] Look into the **[Stanford Prison Experiment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment)**. While some have said that its findings were not reproducible, and others have questioned its methodology, the basic dynamics of the Experiment should shock the conscience of decent people everywhere. More than that, it should inform how we screen, hire, recruit, retain, train, supervise, manage, and monitor anybody with power over the life or liberty of others. Probably to include politicians 😉 See also [**Abner Louima**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_of_Abner_Louima) _“Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”_ –Voltaire