# Dick Cheney endorses Harris

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Tags:** kamala-harris\
**Created:** [September 7, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881 "2024-09-07T01:25:58Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 15\
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**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/84 "2024-09-09T00:53:33Z")

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> [@BigT](#):
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> Putin has given his support to Kamala Harris. Now what would happen if Kamala Harris were to thank him for that and accept it?

Very different from the Cheney endorsement for several reasons.

The easiest to explain: Putin’s endorsement is manifestly insincere.

P.S. In case anyone missed it, Putin endorsed Harris this past Thursday:

> **[Analysis: Vladimir Putin trolls US presidential race with ‘endorsement’ of...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/europe/vladimir-putin-kamala-harris-endorsement-intl/index.html)**
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> Russian President Vladimir Putin raised eyebrows Thursday when he expressed his support for US Vice President Kamala Harris’ presidential bid, flattering the Democratic nominee with some curiously timed remarks.

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**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/85 "2024-09-09T01:12:28Z")

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> [@Smapti](#):
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> Nobody is suggesting that Harris should embrace his policies or that this makes up for his time in office, FCOL.

I have not because the causes of the U.S. invasion of Iraq are complex, with essential support coming from liberal hawks. It would require a long new thread, and research, since I don’t have a strong sense of how hawkish Harris may really be.

Here is an indisputable Cheney policy Harris properly embraces:

[Speaking before a joint session of the House and Senate, Cheney confirmed the results of the Nov. 4 election, that Obama and next Vice President Joe Biden had received 365 electoral votes while the Republican ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin garnered 173 votes.](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna28555802)

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**Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/86 "2024-09-09T16:28:03Z")

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If Dick Cheney thought that Donald Trump would be more favorable to the military industrial complex, then Cheney would be endorsing Trump.

Cheney is a piece of shit.

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**Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/87 "2024-09-09T16:33:18Z")

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> [@Procrustus](#):
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> > [@PhillyGuy](#):
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> > Harris’s biggest problem is too many voters who think she is too liberal.
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> Cite?.

I think that might be better phrased as:

Harris’s biggest problem is too many voters who have bought into the bullshit propaganda that she is too liberal.

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**Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/88 "2024-09-09T16:36:02Z")

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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> Harris’s biggest problem is too many voters who have bought into the bullshit propaganda that she is too liberal.

Yes. I get that. But is that really her biggest problem? And are there voters who are not MAGA who think that she’s too liberal?

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**Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/89 "2024-09-09T16:49:54Z")

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> [@Procrustus](#):
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> And are there voters who are not MAGA who think that she’s too liberal?

I think there may be a number of non-MAGA Republicans who are hanging onto this belief as a fig-leaf to stay in the club and vote for Trump, even though they know he’s a horrible wanna-be dictator.

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**Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/90 "2024-09-09T17:08:56Z")

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> [@Procrustus](#):
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> And are there voters who are not MAGA who think that she’s too liberal?

In my experience, yes.

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**Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/91 "2024-09-09T17:11:30Z")

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Just encountered this neat summary of my reaction:

[![](https://scontent-bos5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/459102804_10226318079765990_894905512708073645_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=bd9a62&_nc_ohc=1M9I9FLbrT8Q7kNvgF1KSon&_nc_ht=scontent-bos5-1.xx&_nc_gid=AXrfGNero98Q_ulULU3sYHf&oh=00_AYDwhv0kgBekgtaq1ffifnVYVYajwv80XTS3ryNjDNzZ9g&oe=66E50A54) ](https://scontent-bos5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/459102804_10226318079765990_894905512708073645_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=bd9a62&_nc_ohc=1M9I9FLbrT8Q7kNvgF1KSon&_nc_ht=scontent-bos5-1.xx&_nc_gid=AXrfGNero98Q_ulULU3sYHf&oh=00_AYDwhv0kgBekgtaq1ffifnVYVYajwv80XTS3ryNjDNzZ9g&oe=66E50A54)

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**Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/92 "2024-09-10T22:38:23Z")

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Cheney should be in prison for life and would be if there was a real investigation of 9/11. The PNAC papers out lined the vision a few years before he gained power, like Project 2025 is doing now. PNAC said point blank that they could not achieve their goals without a Pearl Harbor type event, AKA 9/11.

9/11 is the key to all of this, as I’ve been saying for years now, it was never about lowering gas prices as I see some here have said. It was about control of resources. That is a fact and is spelled out in the papers.

They couldn’t see that 20+ years later it would lead to the rise of Trump, and maybe the end of the US as we’ve known it.

Cheney endorsing Harris is not a good thing.

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**Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/93 "2024-09-10T23:41:12Z")

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Warning and suspension of at least one day for shitbombing this thread with a conspiracy theory post.

**Moderating:**

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**Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/94 "2024-09-10T23:59:56Z")

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> [@split\_p\_j](#):
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> Cheney endorsing Harris is not a good thing.

The future of democracy is at stake. I’ll take my allies where I can find them.

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**Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/95 "2024-09-11T01:13:56Z")

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whoops wrong thread

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**Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/96 "2024-09-11T19:16:23Z")

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> [@Gorsnak](#):
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> Has anything like this ever happened before, where an actually former Pres/VP has endorsed the opposing party’s candidate?

John C. Calhoun not only endorsed the other party’s candidate, he did it _while still serving as Vice President!_

The election of 1824 matched John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson, plus some minor candidates. There was no Electoral College majority, so the election was decided by the House. _Both_ candidates endorsed Calhoun for Vice President, so he won by a landslide and served under President Adams. However, relations between Adams and Calhoun quickly deteriorated.

In 1828, therefore, when Adams and Jackson were again nominated, Calhoun ran for re-election as _Jackson’s_ running mate! He thus became the only Vice-President to ever be re-elected in an election which the incumbent President lost! He couldn’t get along with Jackson, either, though, and eventually resigned from office in order to run (successfully) for Senate, where he remained a festering boil on the body politic until his death.

(As an aside, he was a racist bastard, even by comparison to Andrew Jackson, and that’s saying a lot)

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**Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/97 "2024-09-11T19:25:04Z")

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> [@split\_p\_j](#):
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> Cheney endorsing Harris is not a good thing.

Look at it this way  
Either Harris is such an excellent presidential choice OR Trump is such a horrible choice that even Dick Cheney is voting Harris.

Either way, that’s a good thing.

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**Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-endorses-harris/1006881/98 "2024-09-11T23:15:48Z")

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I just got a text I never expected to get in life. It began “Friend, this is Liz Cheney…”

It appears she is also fundraising for Colin Allred, since Ted Cruz was a vocal supporter of the coup attempt. Good on her.

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