# Dick Cheney you worthless mound of excrement **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 31, 2005, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157 "2005-05-31T01:31:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/1 "2005-05-31T01:31:05Z")
OOOO! OOOOOO! Dick Cheney is [offended!](http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/30/cheney.amnestyintl/index.html) How dare those nasty bullies at Amnesty International suggest that The USA might be guilty of human rights violations at that plush resort so fondly known as Gitmo? Not that Dear Dick is letting such things bother him: > [@](#): > > “For Amnesty International to suggest that somehow the United States is a violator of human rights, I frankly just don’t take them seriously,” he said in an interview that was to air Monday night on CNN’s “Larry King Live.” Nope, nothing to see there, move along, no harm, no foul, and those pesky stories about abuses? Just malicious twaddle from troublemakers. > [@](#): > > Cheney denied American wrongdoing at the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, which Amnesty International compared to a “gulag.” > > “Guantanamo’s been operated, I think, in a very sane and sound fashion by the U.S. military. … I think these people have been well treated, treated humanely and decently,” Cheney said. "Occasionally there are allegations of mistreatment. > > “But if you trace those back, in nearly every case, it turns out to come from somebody who has been inside and been released … to their home country and now are peddling lies about how they were treated.” > > Schulz responded to Cheney’s comments: "It doesn’t matter whether he takes Amnesty International seriously. > > "He doesn’t take torture seriously; he doesn’t take the Geneva Convention seriously; he doesn’t take due process rights seriously; and he doesn’t take international law seriously. > > “And that is more important than whether he takes Amnesty International seriously.” I would dearly love to see Our Dickie spend a year or two in Gitmo, being treated just like all the other happy guests – I’m sure he’d find it remarkably refreshing. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/2 "2005-05-31T01:40:19Z")
> [@Cheney](#): > > Occasionally there are allegations of mistreatment. But if you trace those back, in nearly every case, it turns out to come from somebody who has been inside and been released … to their home country and now are peddling lies about how they were treated. Well, yes. But…people still inside probably find it difficult to find an outlet for their complaints, and they’re not likely to make complaints on the plane. And, besides “their home country”, where else does Cheney expect them to go upon release? Uruguay? Mallorca? It’s interesting to me how Cheney, with an eye on the American audience, implicitly sets up this contrast between the solid values and home-spun truth of the US and the dodgy values of others (“their” - as opposed to “our”), who are immersed in webs of deception and thus constitute a threat to “the free world”. I can smell the spin doctors behind this discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/3 "2005-05-31T01:41:40Z")
Well Amnesty can be silly, but Cheney is creepy. Still, it is interesting to consider that they guy really believes what he is saying. He is not lying, he is not kidding. How the heck can that be? Well, he is the sort I guess who does not admit mistakes. Further, he has a lot of self-confidence. Further in his life he has often been attacked by real enemies. This means that when he is attacked on factual grounds, he is spring-loaded in the denial mode. Even more alarming is that I bet a bunch of other Americans are thinking the same way as the Veep. Remarkable, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/4 "2005-05-31T01:49:57Z")
Remarkable? Remarkable, you say? How about fucking disgustingly fucking infuriatingly fucking nauseating fucking contempt from a fucktard fucking fuckwad “I had other priorities” fucking chickenhawk fucking soulless fucking MONSTER??? FUCK FUCK FUCK HIM WITH PUSTULE-CRUSTED RHINO CARCASSES :: deep breath :: Okay, I’m sorry, I really try not to let those fuckers get to me, but this time… ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/5 "2005-05-31T02:29:56Z")
[Darth Cheney]I find your lack of faith … disturbing[/Darth Cheney] ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/6 "2005-05-31T02:30:34Z")
> [@](#): > > (Cheney) in nearly every case, it turns out to come from somebody who has been inside and been released These bits from today’s papers make that claim difficult to believe: > [@](#): > > One Guantanamo prisoner told a military panel that American troops beat him so badly he wets his pants now. Another detainee claimed U.S. troops stripped prisoners in Afghanistan and intimidated them with dogs so they would admit to militant activity. > > Tales of alleged abuse and forced confessions are among some 1,000 pages of tribunal transcripts the U.S. government released to The Associated Press under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit – the second batch of documents the AP has received in 10 days. [Gitmo Prisoners Told Panel About Abuse](http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Guantanamo-Inside-the-Tribunals.html) > [@](#): > > The influx of defense lawyers at Guantanamo also seems to have had some effect on the character of the detention facility. Some of the lawyers contend, and one official agreed, that it was likely a factor in the authorities’ decision to end most of the interrogations in recent months. > In addition, some lawyers and human rights officials say that the lawyers’ presence has reduced reports of abusive treatment by guards and interrogators people that previously were the subject of complaints from the Red Cross and the FBI. [U.S. lawyers flock to Guantanamo to defend detainees](http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050530/NEWS/505300361/1024) ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/7 "2005-05-31T02:37:18Z")
Sigh. Dick Cheney is the Worst President we’ve ever had. Frankly, and seriously. Can someone explain to me why we have a holding site for military prisoners in a country (Cuba) that we ignore as a legitimate Western country? It really is mind boggling. Why weren’t those prisoners brought onto US territory? ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/8 "2005-05-31T02:37:20Z")
“For Amnesty International to suggest that somehow the United States is a violator of human rights, I frankly just don’t take them seriously,” [Cheney] said in an interview that was to air Monday night on CNN’s “Larry King Live.” My God, is there anyone out there who actually still believes that the US is NOT a violator of human rights? If so, it’s really long past the time to take off the rose-colored glasses, wake up and smell the coffee, and… well, you get my drift. PS Amnesty International “suggested” no such thing, Big Time Dick. They flat-out stated it. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/9 "2005-05-31T02:43:19Z")
> [@elelle](#): > > Sigh. > > Dick Cheney is the Worst President we’ve ever had. Frankly, and seriously. > > Can someone explain to me why we have a holding site for military prisoners in a country (Cuba) that we ignore as a legitimate Western country? It really is mind boggling. Why weren’t those prisoners brought onto US territory? Just to nitpick, Guantanamo Bay IS US territory, the same as an embassy in any other country. It’s a holdover from before Castro and we’ve maintained it for political rather than military reasons, basically to be a pain in Castro’s backside. The reason the detainees are not here is obvious. Who wants them in the United States? It’s like deciding where to put a landfill. Nobody wants garbage anywhere near them. After 9/11 nobody wanted terrorists anywhere near them, so Gitmo became the default. That a good number of them have turned out to be innocent doesn’t change the fact that we are holding some real scumbags down there, and I have no real problem with that. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/10 "2005-05-31T02:49:30Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > That a good number of them have turned out to be innocent doesn’t change the fact that we are holding some real scumbags down there, and I have no real problem with that. Anybody been able to _tell_ which ones are the real scumbags yet? 'Cause it’s been a while… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/11 "2005-05-31T02:58:09Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > That a good number of them have turned out to be innocent doesn’t change the fact that we are holding some real scumbags down there, and I have no real problem with that. They’re **all** innocent so far as we know, **Doors.** Has a single one been tried and convicted? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/12 "2005-05-31T03:00:13Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > The reason the detainees are not here is obvious. Who wants them in the United States? It’s like deciding where to put a landfill. Nobody wants garbage anywhere near them. After 9/11 nobody wanted terrorists anywhere near them, so Gitmo became the default. That a good number of them have turned out to be innocent doesn’t change the fact that we are holding some real scumbags down there, and I have no real problem with that. Really? You really believe that’s the reason they’re keeping them in Gitmo rather than Leavenworth? So as not to sully our precious American mainland soil with terrorist scum leavings? Might it not be more likely that they’re keeping them there because it’s remote? Because maybe they want to do things to them that they’d rather not have reporters and lawyers seeing or hearing and the best way to do that is never to actually bring them into this country in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/13 "2005-05-31T03:06:11Z")
Airman, I git the Gitmo of that, but still wonder; after Sept 11, wouldn’t it have been better to ,um, “showcase” our absolute terrorist captives in US facilities, to show that the Job is being done? I would think that that would be a military statement. To house them in an offsite makes me wonder about motives, that are now being confirmed. The US , I hope, should be an example of transparent Democracy. This is an example of secrecy and means not tolerated within our borders. OK, we don’t want terrorists “near us”, but if we’re going to be the World’s Police, we should have an adequate means of proper democratic treatment within our territory. ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/14 "2005-05-31T03:07:02Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Just to nitpick, Guantanamo Bay IS US territory, the same as an embassy in any other country. It’s a holdover from before Castro and we’ve maintained it for political rather than military reasons, basically to be a pain in Castro’s backside. Gitmo is on lease from the Cuban gov’t, I’m fairly certain that Cuba retains sovreignty, at least on paper. > [@](#): > > The reason the detainees are not here is obvious. Who wants them in the United States? It’s like deciding where to put a landfill. Nobody wants garbage anywhere near them. After 9/11 nobody wanted terrorists anywhere near them, so Gitmo became the default. That a good number of them have turned out to be innocent doesn’t change the fact that we are holding some real scumbags down there, and I have no real problem with that. Do you really think that? The U.S. could easily put them out on a military base in the SW US and I doubt anyone would complain. They are in Gitmo because that is outside of the juristiction of most US courts and because as of 2001 the Courts had ruled that folks detained in Gitmo didn’t have the same rights to appeal to the US justice system that folks detained in the US had. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/15 "2005-05-31T03:08:15Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > The reason the detainees are not here is obvious. Who wants them in the United States? And you’re saying that the benefit of placing them ina legal limbo had nothing to do with this decision? Surely you jest, sir. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/16 "2005-05-31T03:09:57Z")
My understanding is that one particular advantage for Gitmo lay in its being more or less “extra territorial”, that is, the detainees could be held in a place under military control without being under any Federal jurisdiction, where activist judges might cite inconvenient documents. ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/17 "2005-05-31T03:11:25Z")
> [@](#): > > “For Amnesty International to suggest that somehow the United States is a violator of human rights, I frankly just don’t take them seriously,” [Cheney] said in an interview that was to air Monday night on CNN’s “Larry King Live.” . William Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International USA, when told of what Cheney said, replied: > [@](#): > > "It doesn’t matter whether he takes Amnesty International seriously. > > "He doesn’t take torture seriously; he doesn’t take the Geneva Convention seriously; he doesn’t take due process rights seriously; and he doesn’t take international law seriously. > > “And that is more important than whether he takes Amnesty International seriously.” In other words, Cheney just doesn’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/18 "2005-05-31T03:11:33Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > The reason the detainees are not here is obvious. Who wants them in the United States? It’s like deciding where to put a landfill. Nobody wants garbage anywhere near them. After 9/11 nobody wanted terrorists anywhere near them, so Gitmo became the default. That a good number of them have turned out to be innocent doesn’t change the fact that we are holding some real scumbags down there, and I have no real problem with that. Don’t you think possibly there might have been an inkling in some minds that keeping these people off US soil would prevent habeas claims being brought? I mean, if your intention is to keep people incarcerated without trial for long periods, then wouldn’t that be helpful? Not that it worked fully, but they fought pretty damn hard to prevent such claims. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/19 "2005-05-31T03:12:56Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > That a good number of them have turned out to be innocent doesn’t change the fact that we are holding some real scumbags down there, and I have no real problem with that. It’s a good thing we, as a country, don’t believe in justice for all then. Otherwise the whole “imprisoning innocent people for an indeterminate length of time” thing would cause some major dissonance. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2005, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/20 "2005-05-31T03:21:48Z")
> [@](#): > > **Airman Door** : The reason the detainees are not here is obvious. Who wants them in the United States? It’s like deciding where to put a landfill. Nobody wants garbage anywhere near them. After 9/11 nobody wanted terrorists anywhere near them, so Gitmo became the default. Who has determined that they are garbage? Which ones have been charged, tried and convicted of terrorism? Which ones have actually been allowed representation in a hearing other than with military attorneys (despite the influx of civil attorneys)? Even German POWs were housed all over the USA. Surely each state prison could handle ten men. But then they couldn’t be “processed” in quite the same way. (And we don’t _really_ imprison people without trial in _America_ do we? That’s unConstitutional.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157.md?page=2)