# Dick Cheney you worthless mound of excrement **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 31, 2005, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157 "2005-05-31T01:31:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/161 "2005-06-02T16:54:08Z")
I would add these: “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”–MLK, Jr And (hafta paraphrase, no time to search)–“What we will remember is not the harshness of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.” also MLK, Jr. ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/162 "2005-06-02T19:25:32Z")
thanks for the quotes steve ! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/163 "2005-06-02T20:18:35Z")
> [@fushj00mang](#): > > I wasn’t speaking to you when I posted that. I was arguing with World Eater. My apologies if there is something in my post that made you think I was addresssing you. Didn’t think you were. Simply don’t want to hear anything so poisonous and foul directed to anyone. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/164 "2005-06-02T22:02:23Z")
Why don’t I ever see any threads by left wingnuts expressing moral outrage over Sudan, Rwanda, the pilfering of $30 bn from the Iraqi people, or a 150 person strong UN administered pedophile ring? Why are there 50 billion threads about abuse of, if not terrorists, then at least likely n’er do wells, when there is still ongoing rape and abuse of children by UN Peacekeepers? I’m certainly not saying the US is blameless, but where is the balance? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/165 "2005-06-02T22:06:38Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Why don’t I ever see any threads by left wingnuts expressing moral outrage over Sudan, Rwanda, the pilfering of $30 bn from the Iraqi people, or a 150 person strong > UN administered pedophile ring? > > Why are there 50 billion threads about abuse of, if not terrorists, then at least likely n’er do wells, when there is still ongoing rape and abuse of children by UN Peacekeepers? I’m certainly not saying the US is blameless, but where is the balance? Because it’s US! WE are responsible for this mess, WE are responsible for what’s going on in Gitmo and what went on at Abu Ghraib. WE are the ones who are looking pretty shitty right now. And I personally find it absolutely reprehensible that this Administration is doing all of this completely immoral and horrible stuff in MY name! Never has “of the people, by the people, and for the people” made me so ashamed as it has in the last three years. Never. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/166 "2005-06-02T22:17:46Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Why don’t I ever see any threads by left wingnuts expressing moral outrage over Sudan, Rwanda, the pilfering of $30 bn from the Iraqi people, or a 150 person strong UN administered pedophile ring? > > Why are there 50 billion threads about abuse of, if not terrorists, then at least likely n’er do wells, when there is still ongoing rape and abuse of children by UN Peacekeepers? I’m certainly not saying the US is blameless, but where is the balance? Because, as a US citizen, I am in a better position to influence the actions of the US (through protest, public debate, and the ballot) than I am to affect the actions of dictatorial governments a hemisphere away from me. Look at it this way. What would outrage you more: knowing that your neighbor is cheating on his wife, or knowing that your dad is cheating on your mom? People get more outraged by injustices that happen close to them, or that happen to (or are committed by) people they know. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/167 "2005-06-02T22:20:57Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Why don’t I ever see any threads by left wingnuts expressing moral outrage over Sudan, Rwanda, the pilfering of $30 bn from the Iraqi people, or a 150 person strong > UN administered pedophile ring? > > Why are there 50 billion threads about abuse of, if not terrorists, then at least likely n’er do wells, when there is still ongoing rape and abuse of children by UN Peacekeepers? I’m certainly not saying the US is blameless, but where is the balance? You are certainly welcome to open that thread. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/168 "2005-06-02T22:35:37Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > You are certainly welcome to open that thread. Not possible, the boy King’s got the wrong-handed thread. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/169 "2005-06-02T23:00:45Z")
**Fush** , you mentioned confidence in our own Department of Defense as a source. Earlier someone reminded you of have former Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara wrote a book acknowledging the lies that he and the DOD told about the war in Vietnam. Here is another explanation for why we need outside sources: “The reason we don’t do a report on ourselves is the same reason you wouldn’t write investigative reports about your own finances or something; it wouldn’t have any credibility. Somebody else needs to do that. It’s not that we’re against being scrutinized, and indeed we are scrutinized by many other organizations: Human Rights Watch, **Amnesty International**.” – Assistant Secretary of State Michael Kozak , approximately a year ago (bolding mine) ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/170 "2005-06-03T01:12:13Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Because it’s US! WE are responsible for this mess, WE are responsible for what’s going on in Gitmo and what went on at Abu Ghraib. WE are the ones who are looking pretty shitty right now. And I personally find it absolutely reprehensible that this Administration is doing all of this completely immoral and horrible stuff in MY name! > > Never has “of the people, by the people, and for the people” made me so ashamed as it has in the last three years. Never. Fair enough. However, so many things about this thread and the issue in general strike me as so odd. First off, you’ve already convicted the US Government with no trial. Isn’t that just as bad as holding prisoners at Gitmo on flimsy evidence? On top of that, the allegations don’t seem that horrific for the most part. Being intimidated by dogs? Being given a Bible instead of a Koran? Being draped in an Israeli flag? Being interviewed by a female officer in a bra? The stuff at Abu Grahib doesn’t fit into my definition of torture either. It is gratuitious abuse but the US Government has no reason to sanction that. Christ, if this was the extent of the torture I received as a prisoner in another country I’d be grateful. Being chained to a floor for 24 hours? Big fricking deal. Ok so one guy said he was beaten until he pissed his pants. It’s just an allegation and accidents happen (on both sides). If you add in the fact that a prisoner is likely to hyperbolize his suffering… Gratuitous abuse is never acceptable and I don’t advocate the wholesale use of such tactics against the gen pop, but I would accept any of these tactics to extract information from someone who was suspected of having important information. Call me cold. But I sure as hell wouldn’t scream abuse if that was the treatment I got as a POW. Now some will say that most of these people are being held without cause and are most likely not criminals. That’s a problem. It doesn’t mean that those are the prisoners getting the worst of it. Honestly, I think the reason the administration takes liberties in rounding up potential suspects is because they’re so often hamstrung by liberal activist judges. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/171 "2005-06-03T01:37:56Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > First off, you’ve already convicted the US Government with no trial. Isn’t that just as bad as holding prisoners at Gitmo on flimsy evidence? No, it just isn’t as bad. Aside from the fact that there have been trials about the abuse, there is a huge difference between public revulsion at allegations, and a government holding people in secret detention without trial. Trying to view the two as morally equivalent is insane. If the government wants to dispel such allegations, maybe they could do stuff like, maybe, granting access to lawyers? > [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Christ, if this was the extent of the torture I received as a prisoner in another country I’d be grateful. Being chained to a floor for 24 hours? Big fricking deal. I’d be a lot mroe grateful if another country didn’t imprison me without charge at all. You have an incredibly low standard of behavior you expect from foreign countries if locking you up without charge, without access to a lawyer, without trial, without any idea of when it will end is something for which you would be grateful. If that happens to an American, the State Department is rightly screaming blue bloody murder. I guess the holding of the hostages in Iran was no ‘big fricking deal’ either for you? > [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > But I sure as hell wouldn’t scream abuse if that was the treatment I got as a POW. But these people are not being held as POW’s are they? That’s part of the whole argument. (Hits head against a brick wall repeatedly). > [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Now some will say that most of these people are being held without cause and are most likely not criminals. That’s a problem. It doesn’t mean that those are the prisoners getting the worst of it. Yes, I am sure that the people doing the torture are being discriminatory about which Arab face they pick on. I guess when they are building a naked human pyramid they make sure only to pick on the people they have been told are the truly guilty ones, and not the innocent. Just think about the idiocy of what you are saying here. You think the government knows which people are the ones who are criminals, and tortures those, but just incarcerates the rest, who they know are not criminals? Would that make any sense at all (not that much of the policy makes sense). If they know this, why are they holding the people who are not ‘getting the worst of it’ if they know they are not worth holding? Might it not be more likely that they do not know who in the people they have rounded up is ‘criminal’ and who isn’t? If that is the case, is the torture not just as likely to include the innocent? > [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Honestly, I think the reason the administration takes liberties in rounding up potential suspects is because they’re so often hamstrung by liberal activist judges. So it is my fault for supporting the Bill of Rights that the government orders the torture of people and rounds thousands up? Well I guess Pat Robertson told me 9-11 was my fault, after all. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/172 "2005-06-03T02:02:15Z")
Liberal activist judges? Due process, the right to a speedy trial, protection against unreasonable search and seizure are all the Law. It’s sometimes called the Bill of Rights. The judges were reading the Law as it was written. There is nothing liberal or activist about it. The whole deal stinks of shit, as in shitting directly on the Constitution and our flag. It wasn’t the judges doing the shitting either. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/173 "2005-06-03T03:08:31Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Fair enough. However, so many things about this thread and the issue in general strike me as so odd. First off, you’ve already convicted the US Government with no trial. Isn’t that just as bad as holding prisoners at Gitmo on flimsy evidence? Yes, because I’m also holding congress prisoner in my basement, sexually humiliating them, and giving them the occasional beating. Therefore, the two situations are completely morally equivalent. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/174 "2005-06-03T13:55:05Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yes, because I’m also holding congress prisoner in my basement, sexually humiliating them, and giving them the occasional beating. Therefore, the two situations are completely morally equivalent. I never said they were. My “as bad as” referred to violations of a right to a “fair trial.” ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/175 "2005-06-03T14:31:32Z")
> [@villa](#): > > No, it just isn’t as bad. Aside from the fact that there have been trials about the abuse, there is a huge difference between public revulsion at allegations, and a government holding people in secret detention without trial. Trying to view the two as morally equivalent is insane. If the government wants to dispel such allegations, maybe they could do stuff like, maybe, granting access to lawyers? This thread has gone WAY beyond “revulsion at allegations.” Most involved here have already found the US guilty. > [@](#): > > I guess the holding of the hostages in Iran was no ‘big fricking deal’ either for you? The only big deal about the hostage crisis was your friend Carter being too much of a pussy to do anything about it. I don’t have a problem with the treatment of the hostages. > [@](#): > > But these people are not being held as POW’s are they? That’s part of the whole argument. (Hits head against a brick wall repeatedly). Would you not call it torture if they were? > [@](#): > > Yes, I am sure that the people doing the torture are being discriminatory about which Arab face they pick on. I guess when they are building a naked human pyramid they make sure only to pick on the people they have been told are the truly guilty ones, and not the innocent. Just think about the idiocy of what you are saying here. You think the government knows which people are the ones who are criminals, and tortures those, but just incarcerates the rest, who they know are not criminals? Would that make any sense at all (not that much of the policy makes sense). If they know this, why are they holding the people who are not ‘getting the worst of it’ if they know they are not worth holding? Might it not be more likely that they do not know who in the people they have rounded up is ‘criminal’ and who isn’t? If that is the case, is the torture not just as likely to include the innocent? So it is my fault for supporting the Bill of Rights that the government orders the torture of people and rounds thousands up? Well I guess Pat Robertson told me 9-11 was my fault, after all. Do you consider being intimidated by dogs, being given a Bible instead of a Koran, being draped in an Israeli flag or being interviewed by a female officer in a bra torture? Hypothetical: If we somehow knew that someone was definitely guilty of terrorist activities and that the above tactics had been found to extract actionable intelligence in the past, would you advocate their use? These questions aren’t rhetorical, I would really like an answer. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/176 "2005-06-03T14:38:44Z")
Re: Dick Cheney you worthless mound of excrement > [@N. Korean Foreign Ministry](#): > > “Cheney is hated as the most cruel monster and bloodthirsty beast, as he has drenched various parts of the world in blood.” ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/177 "2005-06-03T15:35:59Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > Re: Dick Cheney you worthless mound of excrement Well, that’s the problem. The U.S. government is acting in ways that make the North Korean government’s name-calling seem credible. That’s just sad. ---
**Author:** ![Frankenstein\_Monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@Frankenstein\_Monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frankenstein_Monster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/178 "2005-06-03T16:04:58Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > Do you consider being intimidated by dogs, being given a Bible instead of a Koran, being draped in an Israeli flag or being interviewed by a female officer in a bra torture? You are being rather selective with your anecdotes. [Brutal interrogation in Iraq: Five detainees’ deaths probed](http://news.neilrogers.com/news/articles/2004052110.html) > [@](#): > > Brutal interrogation techniques by U.S. military personnel are being investigated in connection with the deaths of at least five Iraqi prisoners in war-zone detention camps, Pentagon documents obtained by The Denver Post show. > > The deaths include the killing in November of a high-level Iraqi general who was shoved into a sleeping bag and suffocated, according to the Pentagon report. The documents contradict an earlier Defense Department statement that said the general died “of natural causes” during an interrogation. Pentagon officials declined to comment on the new disclosure. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/179 "2005-06-03T16:22:14Z")
“Natural causes” might just be right, you know. Seems to me that if he came out _surviving_ being suffocated, it would be pretty unnatural. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157/180 "2005-06-03T18:05:37Z")
> [@Frankenstein Monster](#): > > You are being rather selective with your anecdotes. > > [Brutal interrogation in Iraq: Five detainees’ deaths probed](http://news.neilrogers.com/news/articles/2004052110.html) That’s why I said I wasn’t being fricking rhetorical. I really want to know the answer to THAT question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheney-you-worthless-mound-of-excrement/306157.md?page=10)