# Dick Cheney's Bloodlust **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2004, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326 "2004-01-27T20:57:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2004, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/61 "2004-01-29T21:35:19Z")
> [@](#): > > I wonder if ideology is driving folks sentiments on this issue seeing as how this hunting club has been in operation for a number of years, as have many others just like it visited annually by thousands, and yet the cry isn’t raised until Dick is involved. I wonder too. Let’s find out. **lieu** : “El\_Kabong, are you making fun of Dick Cheney because he’s a Republican?” **E\_K**"Nope, I can categorically state that I’m making fun of him because he flew in a large government-owned jet from Washington DC to Ligonier, PA, a mere three-hour’s drive away, for the expressed purpose of shooting as many pheasants and ducks as he could in a half-day or so. I’m not one to begrudge a man his hobbies, but Jeez Louise. If he were a Democrat, I’d probably be making even more fun of him than I am now. Anyway, I stayed well clear of the ‘Dick’ jokes, didn’t I?" Well, there you have it, folks. BTW, I grew up about a half-hour’s drive from Ligonier, and went to the Rolling Rock steeplechases a couple of times. This is the first I’d heard that RRCC staged these kind of “hunts”, and frankly I was blissful in my ignorance. Nevertheless, the story appears to have been covered more or less accurately, so there it is. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2004, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/62 "2004-01-29T21:46:41Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > [So does Mark Fiore](http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0404/fiore.php) Sorry, wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2004, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/63 "2004-01-29T22:58:57Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > I wonder if ideology is driving folks sentiments on this issue seeing as how this hunting club has been in operation for a number of years, as have many others just like it visited annually by thousands, and yet the cry isn’t raised until Dick is involved. Well this one’s as easy as shooting pheasants in a barrel…it’s because that place quite likely didn’t make the news until Cheney went there. I’ve been against that type of hunting (it’s for pussies, really) ever since I’ve known about it, for years. I don’t care if Jesus Christ did it, it’s a bunch of bullshit. The fact that the VP of our country did it is just icing on the cake. It merely reinforces the fact that he’s an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/64 "2004-01-30T05:56:43Z")
> [@BF](#): > > Glad to be of service. Here’s a few. > > [Uruguay One](http://www.gssafaris.com/hunt_uruguay_vizcaino.html) > > [Uruquay Two](http://www.huntingmag.com/small_game/dove_0924/) > > [Argentina](http://www.dovehunting.us/) > > [Venezuela](http://canventours.com/ventours.htm) > > As for hauling 'em around, that’s what the gun bearers and beaters are for. Well, none of those sites talk about hundreds of birds per hunter… 30 or 40 ducks is the largest number I´ve read; not that is a smal number of ducks to shoot down anyway. I can accept hunting as an activity when done properly, but this people look like German flak gunners in the winter of ´44. ---
**Author:** ![Andros\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Andros\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andros_X)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/65 "2004-01-30T07:54:45Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Isn’t that a Klingon proverb? “30,000 necks can be wrung in one night, by a running man.” Actually, the Klingon proverb is “Three thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man.” Wringing necks is too bloodless, methinks. Also, re: Dick Cheney as Elmer Fudd: “Be vewwy, vewwy quiet. I’m hunting oil fields. Heheheheh—GACK!” _drops dead_ ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/66 "2004-01-30T18:48:17Z")
> [@An Arky](#): > > …it’s because that place quite likely didn’t make the news until Cheney went there. Yeah, it or the other three hundred and fifty freakin’ seven in Pennsylvania alone. It’s not like they’ve been trying to hide. Heck, there’s adverts everywhere. Yet no one’s outraged until it’s Cheney. Heck, nothing’s been said about the other members of the party, a couple of which are well known, one maybe even more so than Dick. Again, this type of hunting’s not my cup of tea but the VP can’t always be running off to South Dakota for the real deal just any afternoon. He’s known for being an excellent shot and I’m sure given a choice he’d likely prefer the real deal. I wouldn’t do it but it’s completely legal and it’s what the birds were raised for. I understand disliking the clubs. I don’t agree with making selective political hay. ---
**Author:** ![Goofus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7feea3/32.png) [@Goofus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Goofus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/67 "2004-01-30T18:48:56Z")
Happy birthday Dick Cheney Happy birthday Dick Cheney Hope the pheasants’ blood didn’t get your shoes all stain-ey Happy birthday Dick Cheney But seriously, Dick, if you’re reading this, I hope you have a happy birthday, and by next year may you have a lot more free time. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/68 "2004-01-30T18:57:01Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > I understand disliking the clubs. I don’t agree with making selective political hay. I hear you. Tell you what, if someone can find me a liberal who’s gone and done this, I’ll be happy to rip them a new one, too. Maybe Clinton or Gore (or Kerry or Clark or Edwards, etc) may have done such things, too… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/69 "2004-01-30T19:05:07Z")
[Clinton’s](http://www.all-creatures.org/aip/nl-31oct2001-canned.html)been on them too, as have Scalia, Bush Sr., etc. It’s just that Cheney is apparently one hell of a lot more adept at hitting what he’s aiming for. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/70 "2004-01-30T19:19:03Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > [Clinton’s](http://www.all-creatures.org/aip/nl-31oct2001-canned.html)been on them too, as have Scalia, Bush Sr., etc. It’s just that Cheney is apparently one hell of a lot more adept at hitting what he’s aiming for. Well, screw him, too. He’s only 1/70th as bad as Cheney, though, using that yardstick. Actually that would pretty much correlate to the ratio of evil involved in getting a BJ from an intern to sending a bunch of our country’s finest to die in the invasion of Iraq (under false pretenses). ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/71 "2004-01-30T19:25:18Z")
He was there and at others. His ineptitude makes it excusable though, huh? ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/72 "2004-01-30T19:36:29Z")
Strike that last sentence, as you did say screw him too. I’m not going to selectively bust Cheney’s chops here. I don’t know his situation and there’s been woefully little credible information that’s come out. One employee violating the club’s policy and talking about an average experience is about it. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/73 "2004-01-30T19:42:25Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > He was there and at others. His ineptitude makes it excusable though, huh? At the risk of incurring more wrath, I would point out again that it’s not the hunt that bothers me, it’s the _excess_ involved in this particular example. It seriously creeps me out, particularly in light of Cheney’s single-minded pursuit of dominance in the Middle East long before he made it to the VP job. The mindset required for wholesale slaughter is disturbing in anyone, to say the least, but in someone who is a heartbeat away from the presidency, it’s downright frightening. It matters not in the least to me that the results were donated to a food bank. I don’t care if he personally cooked the birds and spoon fed them to lepers (although that would actually demonstrate some humanity in the man). It was bloodsport, plain and simple; mindless killing for the sake of killing. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2004, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/74 "2004-01-30T20:08:55Z")
I’ve met him twice **Chefguy** , the second time giving him a demonstration of our software when his company bought ours in a friendly takeover. He strikes me as a thoroughly decent guy… intelligent, thoughtful and definately able to see through the extraneous bullshit straight to the heart of a problem. I admire him and have no problem giving him the benefit of the doubt here, especially with details and corroboration in such short supply. Obviously some aren’t going to believe me, but not once during that presentation did he emit a nervous cackle. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2004, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/75 "2004-01-31T00:26:41Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > I’ve met him twice **Chefguy** , the second time giving him a demonstration of our software when his company bought ours in a friendly takeover. He strikes me as a thoroughly decent guy… intelligent, thoughtful and definately able to see through the extraneous bullshit straight to the heart of a problem. I admire him and have no problem giving him the benefit of the doubt here, especially with details and corroboration in such short supply. > > Obviously some aren’t going to believe me, but not once during that presentation did he emit a nervous cackle. No problem believing you, man. I met Bill Clinton and Hillary and not once did he unzip his fly in my presence. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2004, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/76 "2004-01-31T02:33:26Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > [Clinton’s](http://www.all-creatures.org/aip/nl-31oct2001-canned.html)been on them too, as have Scalia, Bush Sr., etc. It’s just that Cheney is apparently one hell of a lot more adept at hitting what he’s aiming for. Spinning this as skill and talent? Skill doesn’t really equate with Cornyn’s description of the event, and he was there. Or didn’t you read the linked article on the first page. > [@](#): > > He conceded that bagging the birds was so easy, at times it seemed > “kind of like how Tyson’s and Pilgrim’s Pride and other people do it. I must > tell you that people don’t necessarily hunt the same way in Texas that they > hunt in Ligonier, Penn., but it was enjoyable,” he said. Such skill. How adept. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2004, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/77 "2004-01-31T05:49:31Z")
**Hentor** , twern’t really a glowing praise of Cheney. More of an observation on the ineptitude of Clinton’s… umm… caliber. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2004, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/78 "2004-02-01T01:27:15Z")
The numbers do boggle the mind, indeed. What was it, 417 Iraqi pheasants? Say what? 417 _American_ pheasants? Well, how does that make it any more attractive? If I were ever invited to such a shindig (well, it’s a great country and anything is possible here, right?), I think I’d shot me 4 or 5 birds and head for the bar. But what do I really know? It might be a nice morning, young sun rays are chasing away the morning chill, air is crisp, colors are bright, dogs are barking, guides are hollering, my companions are blasting away like there is no tomorrow… it just might be possible to get carried away, who knows? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2004, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/79 "2004-02-01T20:20:19Z")
> [@masonite](#): > > Is anybody else thinking of _Danny, Champion of the World_ and that nasty Squire with the silver Rolls Royce? Me, I’m thinking of Sarban’s _The Sound of His Horn_. If Bush/Cheney win in November, and the shackles come off, by this time next year he’ll maybe be hunting women dressed up in feather costumes. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2004, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326/80 "2004-02-02T00:29:08Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > **Hentor** , twern’t really a glowing praise of Cheney. More of an observation on the ineptitude of Clinton’s… umm… caliber. Clinton went duck hunbting in Arkansas with some guys while in office. The news showed one duck in the back of the truck. Perhaps they accomplished something else. 🙂 And Bush is the Yosemite Sam. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-cheneys-bloodlust/226326.md?page=3)