# Dick-slicers of the world, unite! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432 "2017-04-28T12:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/121 "2017-04-30T18:35:43Z")
Maybe I’m speaking out of turn as a woman…but I think when the circumcised penis is fully flaccid, the glans isn’t generally exposed. Or not much of it, anyway. The whole organ shrinks away to “doesn’t stick out much from the crotch”. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/122 "2017-04-30T18:41:45Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > You need to rethink using this argument in the future. It’s as insulting as it is idiotic. FGM is not analogous to circumcision, its analogous to castration. Well, look who’s making stupid analogs, since circumcision is not castration. But…I’ll give you this one: > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > If circumcision was designed for this purpose, it failed miserably, and did so right out of the gate. It does not make sex undesirable, difficult or unpleasant. Circumcision is pointless and serves basically no function what-so-ever. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/123 "2017-04-30T18:48:58Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Maybe I’m speaking out of turn as a woman…but I think when the circumcised penis is fully flaccid, the glans isn’t generally exposed. Or not much of it, anyway. The whole organ shrinks away to “doesn’t stick out much from the crotch”. That depends on how much of the foreskin is cut off, since not every circumcision is to the same. Some glands are completely exposed the whole time, whereas others are somewhat to mostly covered. Wiki [Image](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#/media/File:Adult_circumcision_before_and_after.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/124 "2017-04-30T18:54:00Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Well, look who’s making stupid analogs, since circumcision is not castration. > > But…I’ll give you this one: > > Circumcision is pointless and serves basically no function what-so-ever. I think you are missing his point. Which is that fgm is a much more damaging procedure than male circumcision. Yes, there is a really uncommon form of it that is similar to circumcision. But the vast majority of fgm includes cutting off part of the clitoris, or more. So it’s analogous to chopping off most of a boy’s penis, or more than that. Not to circumcision. ---
**Author:** ![Buttercup\_Smith](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buttercup_smith/32/473_2.png) [@Buttercup\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buttercup_Smith)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/125 "2017-04-30T19:21:52Z")
From the closed thread about this subject, has there ever been a SDMB Poll specifically about the number of cut/uncut Americans? My husband is cut and my son is but had I to do it over again I would not for reasons. Would someome make such a poll as I do not have the computer skills? Please. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/126 "2017-04-30T19:49:44Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > I also [stated](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20171287&postcount=99): “I’m not trying to force anything on anyone. I object to the smug condescension of the pro-circ crowd. Can’t speak for anyone else ostensibly on “my side”.” Yet, in your very next statement you state: > [@](#): > > Sure they are. How the fuck would they know what they’ve lost? You can’t mourn what you’ve never known. So basically what this translates to is “You don’t know what you’re missing kid.” Even though we’ve told you we love sex and everything is just fine, you still want to label us and our children victims. Then you actually have the audacity to call _us_ condescending? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/127 "2017-04-30T20:09:18Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > How the hell you leap to your ridiculous conclusion is beyond me. Your wounded live & let live attitude would sound significantly more sincere without the OP. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/128 "2017-04-30T20:15:00Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I think you are missing his point. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/129 "2017-04-30T20:52:05Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I think you are missing his point. Which is that fgm is a much more damaging procedure than male circumcision. Yes, there is a really uncommon form of it that is similar to circumcision. But the vast majority of fgm includes cutting off part of the clitoris, or more. So it’s analogous to chopping off most of a boy’s penis, or more than that. Not to circumcision. Eh NO! He’s trying to say my analogy is stupid by using a stupid analogy. Within this thread, I made several mentions to the point of that I think that FGM is an absolute disgraceful and pointless practice that should not be stopped. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/130 "2017-04-30T21:03:41Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > That depends on how much of the foreskin is cut off, since not every circumcision is to the same. > Some glands are completely exposed the whole time, whereas others are somewhat to mostly covered. > Wiki [Image](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#/media/File:Adult_circumcision_before_and_after.jpg) Those images both show, um, more penis than the men I’ve gotten dressed with have shown when completely flaccid. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/131 "2017-04-30T21:12:37Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > it’s analogous to chopping off most of a boy’s penis, or more than that. Wrong. Again. Almost all of the clitoris is internal. [Cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris). So even a Type 1b FGM, cutting off the exernal part of the clitoris, isn’t analogous to “chopping off most of a boy’s penis”, since a much larger part of the penis is external. And even Type 3 FGM victims can experience sexual pleasure, and > [@](#): > > almost 86%, of women affected by different types of FGM, reported an orgasm, always 69.23%; 58 mutilated young women reported orgasm in 91.43%. > **[Sexual pleasure after Female genital mutilation](https://www.womenonwaves.org/en/page/4715/sexual-pleasure-after-female-genital-mutilation)** > > Female genital mutilation (FGM) is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons." Women... I’m not defending FGM. I’m just flabbergasted that some people are unable to accept that cutting away bits of girls’ genitalia and cutting away bits of boys’ genitalia are essentially the same thing. FGM isn’t done purely to control women’s sexuality. FGM doesn’t deprive every victim of sexual pleasure, quite to the contrary. FGM is not comparable to castration. FGM is an abhorrent practice, but there is no fundamental difference between cutting off bits of little girls’ genitalia and cutting off bits of little boys’ genitalia. The difference is quantitative, not fundamental. If you want to see what male circumcision looks like, here you are. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/132 "2017-04-30T21:57:49Z")
> [@Norse](#): > > …I’m just flabbergasted that some people are unable to accept that cutting away bits of girls’ genitalia and cutting away bits of boys’ genitalia are essentially the same thing. FGM isn’t done purely to control women’s sexuality. FGM doesn’t deprive every victim of sexual pleasure, quite to the contrary. FGM is not comparable to castration. It’s not just that, since the weird thing about this is, that where circumcision is happening , it’s MEN defend male circumcision and it’s the WOMEN that defend the female circumcision and to top it off, its the same reasons (or if you like arguments) they use to advocate, defend, promote or justify the practice and these are hygiene, cleanliness, right to choose, tradition & custom. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/133 "2017-04-30T22:42:52Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Y I notice your fellow travellers **CarnalK** and **Ambivalid** at least shut their traps after a while when called upon to substantiate the basis for their prejudices. Perhaps you could follow their lead… Hey now, don’t go lumping me in with your sparring buddy here. All I did was state my gratitude for having the procedure done on me when I was an infant. I didn’t back down from anything I’ve said. I just can’t be bothered to argue about it because it’s nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/134 "2017-04-30T22:54:11Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I just can’t be bothered to argue about it because it’s nothing. Sure… since it’s been done to YOU, you don’t know any other way - it’s nothing to YOU … just like - strangely enough - the women who wear the burqa or niqab who claim to prefer it when asked or women that grew up with the culture of circumcising. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/135 "2017-04-30T22:58:38Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Sure… since it’s been done to YOU, you don’t know any other way - it’s nothing to YOU … I know, I’m a horribly selfish and callous motherfucker. Because I like being circumsized. I do not have any opinion as to whether or not another person should do it. Totally up to them (or the parents). ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/136 "2017-04-30T23:00:34Z")
> [@Norse](#): > > Wrong. Again. > > Almost all of the clitoris is internal. [Cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris). So even a Type 1b FGM, cutting off the exernal part of the clitoris, isn’t analogous to “chopping off most of a boy’s penis”, since a much larger part of the penis is external. And even Type 3 FGM victims can experience sexual pleasure, and > [Sexual pleasure after Female genital mutilation – Women on Waves](https://www.womenonwaves.org/en/page/4715/sexual-pleasure-after-female-genital-mutilation) > > I’m not defending FGM. I’m just flabbergasted that some people are unable to accept that cutting away bits of girls’ genitalia and cutting away bits of boys’ genitalia are essentially the same thing. FGM isn’t done purely to control women’s sexuality. FGM doesn’t deprive every victim of sexual pleasure, quite to the contrary. FGM is not comparable to castration. > > FGM is an abhorrent practice, but there is no fundamental difference between cutting off bits of little girls’ genitalia and cutting off bits of little boys’ genitalia. The difference is quantitative, not fundamental. > > If you want to see what male circumcision looks like, here you are. Yes, much of the clitoris is internal. You know what, most sexual stimulation comes from the external parts. (Source: I have those parts.) Cutting off all the external clitoris is analogous to cutting off most of the penis. Really. And I bet a man with 1/3 of a penis could have an orgasm, too. The “sometimes more” referred to the more extreme versions of fgm, where a chunk of the labia and such are also removed. Sorry, but different bits and bobs of the body are more or less valuable. Trimming the earlobe is less important to hearing than trimming the more rigid parts of the ear. Removing breast tissue while sparing the nipples and the major nerves is less damaging than removing the nipples. Losing the little toe is less important than losing the big toe. It matters what parts of the genitalia you cut of, and removing parts of the foreskin or clitoral hood is a much smaller matter than removing parts of the penis or clitoris. * * * I’ve seen several internet debates about circumcision. Every one of them featured intact men recoiling in horror, and cut men saying “I’m really happy with what I have.” You can find plenty of testimony on-line from men who were circumcised as adults saying “once I healed, this was terrific”, too. Of course, that’s a biased sample, because those men all had some reason to do it. But still. Find me the women saying circumcision improved their sexual enjoyment. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/137 "2017-04-30T23:57:20Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I know, I’m a horribly selfish and callous motherfucker. Because I like being circumsized. I do not have any opinion as to whether or not another person should do it. Totally up to them (or the parents). Ah fuck it, take the knife to your own dick, if that’s what you’re into and yes it’s the same thing. That’s all fine with me seriously, free choice and all … it just shouldn’t be done to children. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/138 "2017-05-01T00:05:30Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Ah fuck it, take the knife to your own dick, if that’s what you’re into and yes it’s the same thing. That’s all fine with me seriously, free choice and all … it just shouldn’t be done to children. WTF?😕 ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/139 "2017-05-01T00:07:43Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Find me the women saying circumcision improved their sexual enjoyment. Have a read with this interesting article [here](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/female-genital-mutilation-cutting-anthropologist/389640/), not sure if they’re happy with their sex life per say, but since they don’t really know any other life, it is what it is for them. And just to be sure, I hope to not have to mention again that I don’t agree with FGM. Is it the same for a men than its for a women - sure not. But as you already said as a uncut male, its very hard for me to even consider cutting of a part of my penis - ANY bit as small as it may be. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432/140 "2017-05-01T00:10:24Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > WTF?😕 Well, that’s what you think is right! Cutting parts from little a boy’s penis. Sounds weird? Well, that’s what circumcision is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dick-slicers-of-the-world-unite/785432.md?page=8)