# Did any American in the past 50 years ever really think that Jews have horns? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 4, 2011, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143 "2011-09-04T05:28:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/41 "2011-09-05T01:24:50Z")
\ Oh goodie! Of course [Jews have horns](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6vgQJvfZxtU/TUdT3VcBXQI/AAAAAAAADq8/mNX2uQotepw/s1600/herb_alpert.jpg), silly! ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/42 "2011-09-05T01:28:12Z")
[Seriously, duhhh!!!](http://karmeyhesed.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/shofar800x533-main_full.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Amanda\_the\_Wuss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/cdc98d/32.png) [@Amanda\_the\_Wuss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amanda_the_Wuss)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/43 "2011-09-05T02:34:50Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > Yeah; prejudice is an equal opportunity concept, ironically. > > The thing is, the admittedly few Jews I knew growing up had been in the south for generations, and had southern accents, etc. Besides, Southerners and Jews have some things in common (stereotype warning), fatty foods and high maintenance women. 😃 I have a friend from the South who was dating a Jewish guy when she found out my mom is Italian. Her immediate response: “Let’s get your mom together with [boyfriend]'s mom and my mom! _We’ll never stop eating!!!_ :D” (And, for the record, the boyfriend was the first Jewish person she had ever met, she did not think he had horns, and his being Jewish didn’t have any effect on their relationship or breakup. And neither of them were amused when I asked if their first time involved the phrase “Where the hell is your foreskin?”) ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/44 "2011-09-05T02:37:32Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > \ Oh goodie! > > Of course [Jews have horns](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6vgQJvfZxtU/TUdT3VcBXQI/AAAAAAAADq8/mNX2uQotepw/s1600/herb_alpert.jpg), silly! :eek:😃 You win the thread. Here is your nice shiny internet. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/45 "2011-09-05T02:43:19Z")
I know Jewish people who’ve been asked this question within the last 10 or 15 years. I wasn’t there when they were asked, but they were close friends and I have no reason to doubt them. Maybe it’s a belief that is dying out, but you can always find backward, stupid people. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/46 "2011-09-05T02:50:16Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > [19th Century Ad from NY Times containing “no Irish need apply.”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NINA-nyt.JPG) IIRC though that’s one of the few extant examples found. It seems that the notion of “No Irish Need Apply” as a widespread phenomenon in the United States is largely a myth. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/47 "2011-09-05T02:52:18Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > [19th Century Ad from NY Times containing “no Irish need apply.”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NINA-nyt.JPG) That’s fascinating but it isn’t a sign saying “No Irish Or Dogs.” I’m specifically challenging that claim. Of course the Irish were once discriminated against, everyone knows that I would hope. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/48 "2011-09-05T02:53:55Z")
The OP asked if such signs existed. They did. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/49 "2011-09-05T02:54:26Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > That’s fascinating but it isn’t a sign saying “No Irish Or Dogs.” The “No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish” thing seems to have been more a British phenomenon. You can find plenty of accounts of people having seen the signs at boarding houses across Britain into the '60s, but anecdotes aren’t the same as documentary evidence etc. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/50 "2011-09-05T02:59:10Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > IIRC though that’s one of the few extant examples found. It seems that the notion of “No Irish Need Apply” as a widespread phenomenon in the United States is largely a myth. A myth except for when it actually happened? ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/51 "2011-09-05T03:03:05Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > A myth except for when it actually happened? You don’t comprehend too good do you? One example doesn’t prove that it was a widespread phenomenon. For more information read [this](http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm). Even if Jensen is wrong and such notices were more common but have somehow not survived, it doesn’t seem likely they were nearly as common as the folk memory suggests. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/52 "2011-09-05T03:03:30Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > That’s fascinating but it isn’t a sign saying “No Irish Or Dogs.” I’m specifically challenging that claim. > > Of course the Irish were once discriminated against, everyone knows that I would hope. I guess I just read AT’s question as asking whether signs saying “No \_\_\_” ever existed. I didn’t catch that he was asking whether they were literally listed on a single sign along with dogs. I see that as a distinction largely without a difference, though. We know exclusionary signs existed. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/53 "2011-09-05T03:05:27Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I guess I just read AT’s question as asking whether signs saying “No \_\_\_” ever existed. I didn’t catch that he was asking whether they were literally listed on a single sign along with dogs. I see that as a distinction largely without a difference, though. We know exclusionary signs existed. And I responded to your accurate response with supplementary information about the probably exaggerated folk memory of such signage, information I believe AT and others might find interesting and relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/54 "2011-09-05T03:06:05Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > You don’t comprehend too good do you? One example doesn’t prove that it was a widespread phenomenon. “Widespread phenomenon” wasn’t the question, fuckhead. The question was did those kinds of signs “ever exist.” Obviously they did exist, so were not mythical. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/55 "2011-09-05T03:08:24Z")
[Sign](http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2012876a2b254970c-250wi) > [@](#): > > No Niggers, Jews, or Dogs [sign 2](http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e20120a79f8e49970b-pi) > [@](#): > > No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs Such (somewhat more subtle) practice is noted[here](http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/07/Floridian/_No_dogs __no_blacks__.shtml). > [@](#): > > At the exhibit’s opening on Feb. 13, Maxine Weiss of Tallahassee peered at a series of Miami Beach hotel brochures from the 1920s, '30s, and '40s, which advertised “gentile only” or “restricted clientele.” > > “I remember this one,” said Weiss, 78, stabbing her finger at a brochure for the Marine Terrace Hotel. The brochure boasts that a “restricted clientele assures you of a pleasant environment.” [Miami - restricted clientele](http://belleisleblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/belle-isle-court.png) [Restricted](http://belleisleblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/versailles.png) > [@](#): > > In 1947, Roth ran for the Miami Beach City Commission and won, its first Jewish member. The city passed an ordinance forbidding discriminatory advertising. The ordinance was challenged and a judge ruled the city didn’t have the power to enforce it. In 1949, “Jews convinced the Florida Legislature to introduce enabling legislation to allow cities to enforce such ordinances. After the bill passed in 1949, the Miami Beach City Council then forbade ‘any advertisement, notice or sign which is discriminatory against persons of any religion, sect, creed, race of denomination in the enjoyment of privileges and facilities of places of public accommodation, amusement or resort.’” Again, I believe the No Dogs, No Jews signs were something that appeared more in Canada (or from what I’ve read/seen). [Scram](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6g1NE30Xt5w/TeDlpFNB5_I/AAAAAAAACbA/Dml95i6sfDc/s1600/ste-agathe-as-sign1930s_184_G.jpg)! ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/56 "2011-09-05T03:13:08Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > “Widespread phenomenon” wasn’t the question, fuckhead. The question was did those kinds of signs “ever exist.” Obviously they did exist, so were not mythical. :rolleyes: I never said they didn’t exist, as I’ve already stated. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/57 "2011-09-05T03:23:06Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > :rolleyes: I never said they didn’t exist, as I’ve already stated. The answer to the OP’s q was yes. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/58 "2011-09-05T03:45:39Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > [Sign](http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e2012876a2b254970c-250wi) > > [sign 2](http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e20120a79f8e49970b-pi) > > Such (somewhat more subtle) practice is noted[here](http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/07/Floridian/_No_dogs __no_blacks__.shtml). > > [Miami - restricted clientele](http://belleisleblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/belle-isle-court.png) > > [Restricted](http://belleisleblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/versailles.png) > > Again, I believe the No Dogs, No Jews signs were something that appeared more in Canada (or from what I’ve read/seen). [Scram](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6g1NE30Xt5w/TeDlpFNB5_I/AAAAAAAACbA/Dml95i6sfDc/s1600/ste-agathe-as-sign1930s_184_G.jpg)! Got any cites that date your signs? I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/59 "2011-09-05T03:56:15Z")
What difference do the dates make? ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143/60 "2011-09-05T04:34:52Z")
How are there doubts even after cites have been provided and firsthand accounts? Seriously, sometimes the Dope is aggravating as all get out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-american-in-the-past-50-years-ever-really-think-that-jews-have-horns/595143.md?page=4)