The doubts relate to whether such signage was ever actually commonplace, which the folklore insists, or if only a few examples ever existed, as the evidence suggest.
(Emphasis mine)
An Gadai, I understand the point you’re making but please chill out.
Right. IMO, that question has been adequately answered, of course, I might be crazy.:rolleyes:
Image, Jim Crow Era.
1930s, Hebrews not allowed.
Is that better? :rolleyes:
Dio: Whatever the question was, whether about these signs appearing only once ever, or occasionally, or in every neighborhood in every town–this isn’t a sword you want to be throwing yourself on. Do NOT call anyone else a fuckhead in this forum again.
Shit. I swear to Christ I thought I was in the Pit. My apologies.
Speaking of Christ, did some people think he had horns, too?
Here is a blog post written by a white man who grew up with the signs.
Sign from Corpus Christi Texas in 1949.
http://www.old-picture.com/united-states-history-1900s—1930s/Waiting-Whites-Only-Room.htm
Revelation 5- the Word Itself.
As for horns on Jews, I would love to call BS on those claiming the belief within the past 30 years. Alas, my faith in the stupidity of people prevents my doing so.
Hell, there was an episode of LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE that made fun of that! One of the Ingals kids (the adopted boy?) befriends an old Jewish man. The Olsen kids (of course) are horrified by this & warn him about the horns. The boy asks the old man who laughs, shows that it’s not true & has him prank the Olsen kids over it.
I have always known that “Whites Only” signs were common. And I’m not too surprised about the “No Hebrews allowed” notices and things of that nature. What I am inquiring about is the specific sign that lists two undesirable ethnic groups and then dogs (or has the dogs somewhere else in the order.) No Jews, Irish or Dogs…No Jews, Dogs or Irish…No Dogs, Jews or Irish…etc.
Dogs. The prohibition on dogs has to be part of it, as it is tantamount to equating the ethnic groups with animals, a far stronger sentiment than just saying “no Irish allowed”.
I am not American, but I had a number of Jewish friends at elementary school, high school, and university. None had horns. I never heard the “horns” story until I met few American Evangelicals. But I discounted what they said, as I recalled my many Jewish friends through the years, who most definitely did not have horns.
I’d heard this before, but I assumed it was metaphorical, in reference to Jews being evil and Old Scratch having horns. Thus Jews were the devil.
In fact, I still wonder if that is what was originally meant, and some kids who never saw Jews took it literally, taught it to their kids, and so on.
If you want to stretch the time back to 75 years, baseball player Hank Greenberg, a Jew from Bronx, NY, says his roommate on the Detroit Tigers JoJo White, a native of Georgia, confessed that he used to think Jews had horns.Jo-Jo White - Wikipedia
This song talks about the phenomenon, but of more interest is the essay written about it below the video. Sadly, no sources though. What’s clear, though, is that only a handful of newspaper adverts and pictures of signs have survived in the UK and Canada, and almost none in the US.
I think it’s pretty obvious why, in an area where one would potentially expect a large amount of applicants from a particular group, one wouldn’t put up such signs. People who assume that they must have been commonplace just because discrimination was (and is) commonplace are making two mistakes. Firstly, that just because someone is racist they must be stupid, and secondly that anecdotal evidence based on someone’s memories from 50 or more years ago is worth anything at all.
One of CitizenPained’s cites has a “No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish” type sign that seems like it could be real but I don’t know the origin of it. It would be interesting to find out if it was a real sign seen in the wild or an illustrative mockup. Either way, from as far as I can find out, it’s the only extant example of “NB, ND, NI” that purports to be a genuine sign. Here it is. ETA: CitizenPained also has a cite from the Jim Crow Museum of a “No Niggers, No Jews, No Dogs” sign. It might be worth contacting the curator over there as to how prevalent such signage was.
What dates would you consider “acceptable”?
So noted, but the warning stands, as you are responsible for what you post. Additionally, in the current circumstances we can’t simply deep six the post for which you received the warning, so it isn’t appropriate to rescind the warning that resulted from it.
I don’t want to put words in Sam’s mouth but I believe he’s bringing up the possibility that some or other of the examples are latter day creations.
I attended medical lectures in college that included old, retired physicians. I had the pleasure of sitting with a very friendly old couple, doctor and teacher in their 80’s. He did his residency somewhere in the Midwest and told us how it was hard for he and his wife, two New York Jews, to adjust to the Midwest - no good food, no shules, etc. On day 1 at the hospital he was asked by a fellow new resident how he was hiding his horns.
That was in the 50’s, so 50ish years ago.
Many people confuse Quakers, Mormons and the Amish, especially those who have no direct experience with them. (There aren’t many people of any of these denominations in France.) And isn’t there a movie about the Amish where “Amish” was translated to “Mormon” in French?