# Did any other Millenials find Hillary's campaign insulting? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 30, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426 "2017-07-30T04:56:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/41 "2017-07-31T01:24:15Z")
> [@etasyde](#): > > I’m shocked at you (well, not that shocked). > > One, you’re barking up the wrong damn tree. I didn’t just vote, I badgered and berrated quite a few stubborn peers into registering and voting. Two, I also live in California, where HRC won so onesidedly if I didn’t vote _at all_ it couldn’t possibly have enabled a “greater evil.” Three, I put my time _and_ money where my mouth was, did the leg work _and_ made campaign contributions. Four, good on you personalizing a political discussion and using terribad assumptions because… you think I’m younger than you. > > So let me ask, do _you_ feel better after blowing smoke based on erroneous assumptions and kneejerk reactions? If you really want to see what my attitude was, go back and read my posts. I’ve been beating the same drum from the day I joined here. I warned people exactly what the result of electing the orange-haired freak would be, and also said it would take decades to reverse the effects. (I was thinking primarily of SCOTUS when I said that…a lot of the rest can be reversed in a presidential term or two.) People thought I was being alarmist. I also ‘did the legwork,’ donated time and money, and live in CA. (Which, btw, is a sham excuse.) Sorry about the assumptions, but you spoke pretty clearly as if you were a millennial. I, on the other hand, am not. I’m a Boomer. ---
**Author:** ![etasyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9f8e36/32.png) [@etasyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etasyde)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/42 "2017-07-31T02:06:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > I warned people exactly what the result of electing the orange-haired freak would be, and also said it would take decades to reverse the effects. Except, you deride the Bernie crowd repeatedly. Consider, however, that Bernie appealed to the very voters who swung this election (poor white people facing economic “devastation”) _and_ was virtually unbeatable according to the polls. Sure, the polls fell short of reality, but while Cheeto-in-Chief was within the margins for error against HRC, he was _not_ within those margins against Bernie. In short, the HRC voters **gave us the Cheeto** by successfully propping up a candidate who was reviled by the very people who mattered the most (in this case, scattered Rust Belt voters). > [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Sorry about the assumptions, but you spoke pretty clearly as if you were a millennial. I, on the other hand, am not. I’m a Boomer. Are your ideological biases so extreme that you can reconcile the fact that I might be younger _and_ just as politically active and even possibly moreso than you? And being a Boomer is nothing to be proud of. The oldest of you were handed a dream of an economic situation - the rest of the world was still on the long road to recovering from being _literally on fire_ - and yet here the world is fixing the mess that was made with it, as it will for generations to come. **Stop deriding later generations for being upset over your repeated mistakes** , and stop deriding them for not wanting to help you make _more_. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/43 "2017-07-31T02:50:56Z")
> [@pjacks](#): > > In 08 I had to drive 2 hours to my old address’ polling place after showing up at a closer one & being denied, which almost soured me on the whole thing. How is it even legal to vote two hours away? Surely your precincts/wards/districts are smaller than that. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![etasyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9f8e36/32.png) [@etasyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etasyde)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/44 "2017-07-31T03:13:55Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > How is it even legal to vote two hours away? Surely your precincts/wards/districts are smaller than that. 😕 Simple, Gerrymander like a boss, put all the \ voters into one huge district, and then to top it all off, put only one polling place in it. Hope you’re lucky enough to be on the end of the mander that has a polling place, and hope there’s a good highway connecting you and it! Free and fair Though, if you want to be one of the cool kids these days, what you have to then do is mock people who have that hardship by comparing it to your experience, wherein there’s a polling pace literally 2 blocks from your house. Lazy bums! ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/45 "2017-07-31T03:19:29Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > How is it even legal to vote two hours away? Surely your precincts/wards/districts are smaller than that. 😕 He didn’t say the “closer one” was in the same district as his “old address’” one. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/46 "2017-07-31T03:26:08Z")
I didn’t necessarily like everything about Bill Clinton as a President, but he and his wife were purely slandered as evil incarnate by the right. Hillary was subjected to 25 years of continuous investigations by the right, which yielded ZERO charges. I didn’t like Hillary either, but seriously, she is not nor was she ever the villain she has been painted as on the right. If she were a private citizen, she would have bankrupted every single one of those assholes with Defamation lawsuits. But because she was a public figure, she was fair game. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/47 "2017-07-31T03:38:20Z")
What year do I have to be born before to be a millenial? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/48 "2017-07-31T04:03:38Z")
> [@etasyde](#): > > Except, you deride the Bernie crowd repeatedly. Consider, however, that Bernie appealed to the very voters who swung this election (poor white people facing economic “devastation”) _and_ was virtually unbeatable according to the polls. Sure, the polls fell short of reality, but while Cheeto-in-Chief was within the margins for error against HRC, he was _not_ within those margins against Bernie. This is exactly the fantasy that Bernie voters console themselves with. The fact is that Bernie wouldn’t have won, polls or no polls. Trump and the Republican shit-flinging machine had never even touched him. They were too happy with him working against Hillary. > [@](#): > > Are your ideological biases so extreme that you can reconcile the fact that I might be younger _and_ just as politically active and even possibly moreso than you? Not sure where that came from, but anything is possible. Believe it or not, my ego doesn’t depend on my being the most politically active person in the universe. As it happens, I am politically active, but I’m not measuring myself against you in some kind of epeen contest. > [@](#): > > And being a Boomer is nothing to be proud of. The oldest of you were handed a dream of an economic situation - the rest of the world was still on the long road to recovering from being _literally on fire_ - and yet here the world is fixing the mess that was made with it, as it will for generations to come. **Stop deriding later generations for being upset over your repeated mistakes** , and stop deriding them for not wanting to help you make _more_. I was giving you an idea of my age and nothing more. But if it helps you to blame me for all the ills of the nation, go right ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/49 "2017-07-31T06:02:14Z")
No, but I found Bernie’s campaign more than a little insulting. [ul] [li]Bitching about how the DNC “stole” the election for Clinton, ignoring the 3.7 **MILLION** more votes she got than Bernie did.[/li][li]Complaining about closed primaries as being exclusionary, even though similarly exclusionary caucuses were the only part of the campaign where Bernie actually shined.[/li][li]Claiming to be the torch bearer of the poor and working class despite the fact he won [ONLY young whites](https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2016-06-07/race-age-dem-primary4-01.png) while getting crushed by _at least_ 20%+ among [Blacks, seniors, 45-64 year olds, Democrats, the uneducated, **and** women](http://pos.org/democratic-primary-voter-demographic-shifts-and-candidate-coalitions/).[/li][li]And don’t forget the frequent dismissal of many of these groups’ opinions. “I can’t believe so many women are voting for Hillary just because she’s a woman too.” As if their decision wasn’t made with due consideration.[/li][li]Bitch about Hillary being DINO and Bernie a “true liberal” when their voting record overlapped by like 90% or something like that IIRC.[/li][li]Their buying in to fake news and internet gossip just as bad as the worst Trump supporter. ([Which many continue to do](https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/15561842/trump-russia-louise-mensch)).[/li][/ul] I like Bernie. His supporters, though, were insufferable. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/50 "2017-07-31T11:34:19Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Oh, PLEASE. :rolleyes: > > You move, the first thing you do is you update your voter registration record. It’s not hard, these days to do that; many places you can do it, you know, ONLINE. 😉 > > What you’re complaining about is that, when it comes time to vote, you’ve not done your homework, and then, just like so many in your generation, you expect everything to be ok without having done the preparation. There’s NOTHING complicated about figuring out where to vote, if you plan doing that in advance. Then, you wouldn’t be denied for showing up at the wrong spot. \ > > The people who have valid complaints are people who have no mobility, who lack proper identification and the ability to obtain it, who are legitimately put in danger of disenfranchisement by the system. I think you both have a point. Yes, the voting system is needlessly complicated and it does discourage people from voting. The irony is that for the left wing purists who hated HRC so much she probably would have done everything she could have to simplify voting, ensure voting rights, nominated federal judges who’d protect those rights, and basically fight every GOP move that tries to make voting more difficult. Unfortunately, the purists who just couldn’t vote for filthy rotten HRC are now going to find it even harder to have their voices heard. But yes, to your point, it’s not that hard and it just takes some effort to figure it out. It takes effort to participate in a democracy. There are always people in a democracy who want don’t really want you to vote and they will do whatever possible to discourage you from doing so. It takes effort to get around those efforts and double down on your rights. We can cry foul and wish there were a better system all we want. But nobody’s going to give it to us. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/51 "2017-07-31T11:41:28Z")
> [@etasyde](#): > > Except, you deride the Bernie crowd repeatedly. Consider, however, that Bernie appealed to the very voters who swung this election (poor white people facing economic “devastation”) _and_ was virtually unbeatable according to the polls. Sure, the polls fell short of reality, but while Cheeto-in-Chief was within the margins for error against HRC, he was _not_ within those margins against Bernie. > > In short, the HRC voters **gave us the Cheeto** by successfully propping up a candidate who was reviled by the very people who mattered the most (in this case, scattered Rust Belt voters). > Are your ideological biases so extreme that you can reconcile the fact that I might be younger _and_ just as politically active and even possibly moreso than you? Sorry but polls are not votes. Again, if you go back and look at polling data at various points you’d see all kinds of people becoming hypothetical presidents. The fact is that Bernie Sanders couldn’t win his own party’s nomination. Moreover, Bernie Sanders lost in states that were demographically diverse like California, New York, and Florida. He also lost most of the battleground states. There is absolutely nothing in terms of real, hard actual voting evidence to suggest Bernie Sanders would have out-competed Donald Trump in swing states like Ohio, North Carolina, or Florida, which have more often than not leaned to the right, not the left. You’re telling me that Bernie Sanders, a democratic socialist, is going to win in states with republican governors and republican legislatures? Please, please explain that one! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/52 "2017-07-31T13:11:38Z")
If you think there are unfair hurdles to voting, and you want that to change, you’re going to have to make sure that people like Trump don’t get elected, which means that you’re going to have to deal with some of some of those hurdles and vote for imperfect candidates. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/53 "2017-07-31T13:28:51Z")
> [@pjacks](#): > > Obama did this stuff too, but he had a knack for it. For example, any other politician besides maybe Al Franken would’ve been a disaster on Between Two Ferns, but he was genuinely hilarious. Not sure if you’re aware of this, but Hillary Clinton did appear on between two ferns and, well, she definitely wasn’t Obama: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrkPe-9rM1Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrkPe-9rM1Q) ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/54 "2017-07-31T13:35:02Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > But then actually be an adult and vote for the candidate closer to what we want in the general, too. The idea that someone who doesn’t just bend over and take whatever the Democrats want shove at them during a given cycle is not being an adult is completely absurd. Real adults are capable of long-term planning, and voters who do not automatically vote for ‘whoever the Democrats run this time’ force the Democrats to pay attention to voters instead of just running whoever’s done a bunch of favors for party members. The idea, which seems to be common on this board, that everyone owes the Democrats their vote simply doesn’t match reality; roughly 1/3 of the electorate votes ‘none of the above’ every election cycle, it’s really not ‘you must vote A or B and if you don’t vote for one you’re voting for the other’ - and campaigns work better when they realize that. I sincerely regret voting for Hillary Clinton out of the ‘lesser of two evils’ philosophy because as far as I can tell from the aftermath she didn’t lose badly enough to motivate the Democrats to do anything differently next time. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/55 "2017-07-31T13:59:24Z")
Bend over and take? … the point is that someone is going to win the election and set policy for the next X years. If you don’t ensure the better choice gets in now, you are allowing the situation to get even worse. That’s the adult realization. There is no “none of the above” choice. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/56 "2017-07-31T14:02:01Z")
Real adults determine a plan of action which match reality, often add a dash of optimism & wishful thinking to their attitude, and then take steps to execute them. If you want a Leftist party in America, then work within the system and make the center-left party (one which exists in a system designed to create two opposing parties) more Leftist. Doing anything else in the system we have in the US is self-defeating, no matter how well the rationale for it sounds. You want a strong Left party in America? Stop supporting third parties which have no chance to be effective, make the Dems more Leftist, and accept you won’t win all the battles. If I were to operate on the principle of “I refuse to work within a system that doesn’t do what I want, when I want, and makes achieving things hard work” then why not just give up on the idea of America? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/57 "2017-07-31T14:07:36Z")
> [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > Cringe-inducing dancing with Ellen. THAT’S what bothers you? Pretty trivial stuff. If you go on Ellen, you dance. It’s what you do. > [@](#): > > She was every bad trait of John Kerry turned up to 11. Kerry’s a good guy. He’s a bit on the stiff side but I can’t think of any major disagreements I have with him. > [@](#): > > If Obama had presided over as prosperous a period as the 1990s were, I’d easily call him the best Democratic President since FDR. I have to give that to LBJ. Civil Rights, Medicare. > [@](#): > > But increasingly neither is the limpy, ‘feel good’ virtue signalling, weak, capitulating, compromising, phony Liberalism of the DNC - the shallow product of advertising campaigns - the body that felt “I’m With Her” was a great slogan. So the slogan was a bit timid and the product of focus groups. So what? Any others of my generation sick of Hillary, and sick of the current DNC? Any other young Democrats here who despise Hillary, and who loathed voting for her? [/QUOTE] > [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > But no, on policy, she didn’t answer questions I wanted to hear answers to such as: > -How was she going to make jobs more plentiful, and finding a good job less difficult? > -What was she going to do about the rising levels of income inequality? > -What was she going to do to tackle the rising, and almost unlivable, cost of living in the cities?". She had a well thought out economic plan rather than make empty promises about bringing back coal mining jobs. Rising income inequality is a tough issue. Taxing the rich is a good start. What would have the promise? Seriously, you think the president has the power to address the high cost of urban living? You think she can undo the forces of supply and demand? If you can’t afford to live in the city, either move or get a better job. > [@](#): > > While I support abortion, gay marriage, and the like, ANY Democratic candidate would align with me on these issues. What she failed to sell me on was what she’d do for me. Ask not what you can do for you country, ask what your country can do for you. > [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > After Obama, I was expecting the Democratic Party to give me Franklin Roosevelt 2.0…Not John Kerry 2.0. If FDR had been black, he wouldn’t have gotten done what he did either. A large part of the country wasn’t ready for a black president. You can hardly blame Obama for that. ---
**Author:** ![Reddy\_Mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/43a26b/32.png) [@Reddy\_Mercury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reddy_Mercury)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/58 "2017-07-31T14:42:14Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > THAT’S what bothers you? Pretty trivial stuff. If you go on Ellen, you dance. It’s what you do. My point was it was a symptom of her empty and very insecure pandering. It works for some politicians. On her it came off like an old person desperate for approval and to fit in with “the young people.” > [@](#): > > Kerry’s a good guy. He’s a bit on the stiff side but I can’t think of any major disagreements I have with him. You can be a good guy, which is he, and also be a poor Presidential candidate. Which he also was. > [@](#): > > I have to give that to LBJ. Civil Rights, Medicare. Would agree with that but for Vietnam. > [@](#): > > So the slogan was a bit timid and the product of focus groups. So what? It was another symptom of her bad campaign. > [@](#): > > She had a well thought out economic plan rather than make empty promises about bringing back coal mining jobs. > Rising income inequality is a tough issue. Taxing the rich is a good start. What would have the promise? > Seriously, you think the president has the power to address the high cost of urban living? You think she can undo the forces of supply and demand? If you can’t afford to live in the city, either move or get a better job. > If FDR had been black, he wouldn’t have gotten done what he did either. A large part of the country wasn’t ready for a black president. You can hardly blame Obama for that. Raise the tax rates on the wealthy. Closing the loopholes would be a better start. Tax stock dividends and mergers. And yes, I do think a President could, if they were effective enough. Never said I blamed Obama for the fact he got little done. I know very well he faced obstruction from day one. He did the best he could. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/59 "2017-07-31T15:19:13Z")
The behavior described in the OP is basically today’s version of baby kissing. A politician pandering to potential voters? I’m shocked, shocked. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426/60 "2017-07-31T15:23:47Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Real adults are capable of long-term planning, and voters who do not automatically vote for ‘whoever the Democrats run this time’ force the Democrats to pay attention to voters instead of just running whoever’s done a bunch of favors for party members. The idea, which seems to be common on this board, that everyone owes the Democrats their vote simply doesn’t match reality; roughly 1/3 of the electorate votes ‘none of the above’ every election cycle, it’s really not ‘you must vote A or B and if you don’t vote for one you’re voting for the other’ - and campaigns work better when they realize that. Tell me, did those real adults’ ‘long-term planning’ include enabling a President Trump? How far back is he going to set their personal political goals? You can complain all you want, but you can’t refute the logic. There was clearly only one way to prevent that happening, and if someone didn’t do that, they enabled it tacitly at the very least. The rest is a distraction from that simple fact. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-any-other-millenials-find-hillarys-campaign-insulting/792426.md?page=4)