# Did anyone know of Boris Gudunov before Boris Badenov **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438 "2018-10-24T15:44:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/21 "2018-10-24T20:45:37Z")
> [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](#): > > Not that there’s anything wrong with that. … If that’s what you are. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/22 "2018-10-24T21:28:32Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Given that I started watching Rocky & Bullwinkle before getting much exposure to classical music, I assume I was aware of Boris Badenov first. This for me also. My mom might have heard of Gudunov before the cartoon came out; likely my dad had not. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/23 "2018-10-25T01:14:46Z")
I actually own the complete Boris Gudunov (“Godounov”) opera. I’ve always made the pun “Good Enough” in my head, but never heard of Boris Badenov. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/24 "2018-10-25T05:09:20Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > My favorite along these lines was from the Beany and Cecil Show, where the gang went to the No Bikini Atoll. No one could bad pun like Bob Clampett on the Beany and Cecil show. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/25 "2018-10-25T05:14:27Z")
Seeing as I watched the _Rocky_ cartoons when I was six, naturally Badenov came first. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/26 "2018-10-25T05:24:17Z")
Same as others above. Badenov first, about age ten. Ten years later I began studying classical music and quickly became aware of the Mussorgsky pun. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/27 "2018-10-25T05:34:01Z")
I cannot remember when I first heard of Boris Gudunov, but it was definitely after Boris B. > [@CalMeacham](#): > > New Greenpernt I don’t get this one… ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/28 "2018-10-25T09:18:44Z")
I heard of Badenov first. But I did learn my first pun, which was not his name, on Rocky and Bullwinkle. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/29 "2018-10-25T11:13:37Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > I don’t get this one… King Louie the Toiti-Toid (XXXIII) was a US sailor who got washed overboard and ended up ruling a tiny island that he named New Greenpernt. Being from Brooklyn, he of course taught the natives English with a New York accent: “goil” for girl, “boid” for bird, “joik” for jerk, and so on. “Greenpernt” would be Greenpoint in Standard American English. **Fun Fact:** This accent apparently owes a lot to the Irish immigrants who settled in NYC in the 19th century. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/30 "2018-10-25T11:22:48Z")
Never hard of Boris Badenov. But I have heard of Ripme-Korsetzoff. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/31 "2018-10-25T11:29:01Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > **Fun Fact:** This accent apparently owes a lot to the Irish immigrants who settled in NYC in the 19th century. There was once a sportscaster from Brooklyn (I don’t remember his name) who was giving a play-by-play of a baseball game in which a player named Hoyt was hit by a pitch. Instead of “Hoyt is hurt!” listeners heard “Hurt is hoit!” ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/32 "2018-10-25T11:32:27Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > Never hard of Boris Badenov. But I have heard of Ripme-Korsetzoff. Is he any relation to the author of _ **Russian Tortures** _, Ivan T Kutchyurkokov? :dubious: 😕 ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/33 "2018-10-26T04:22:13Z")
I think a lot of people here have completely missed the fact that Boris Godunov (as the Wikipedia article spells it) was a real person and not just a character in a play/opera. It would be like asking someone if they knew who Julius Caesar was and someone said “yeah, I saw that Shakespeare play”. Godunov was a major figure in Early Modern Russia. I was very confused about people talking about music until I guessed that there was presumably a dramatization of his quite interesting life. > **[Boris Godunov](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Godunov)** > > Borís Fyodorovich Godunóv (/ˈɡɒdənˌɔːf, ˈɡʊd-/; Russian: Борис Фёдорович Годунов; 1552  – 23 April \[O.S. 13 April\] 1605) ruled the Tsardom of Russia as de facto regent from c. 1585 to 1598 and then as the first non-Rurikid tsar from 1598 to 1605. After the end of his reign, Russia descended into the Time of Troubles. > Boris Godunov was the most noted member of an ancient, now extinct, Russian family of Tatar origin (Chet), which came from the Horde to Kostroma in the early 14th century. He was ... ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/34 "2018-10-26T04:53:46Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > I was very confused about people talking about music until I guessed that there was presumably a dramatization of his quite interesting life. You didn’t know there was an opera? :dubious: 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/35 "2018-10-26T05:26:04Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > King Louie the Toiti-Toid (XXXIII) was a US sailor who got washed overboard and ended up ruling a tiny island that he named New Greenpernt. Being from Brooklyn, he of course taught the natives English with a New York accent: “goil” for girl, “boid” for bird, “joik” for jerk, and so on. “Greenpernt” would be Greenpoint in Standard American English. > > **Fun Fact:** This accent apparently owes a lot to the Irish immigrants who settled in NYC in the 19th century. My very Irish-American mother from the Bronx pronounces oil burner as earl boiner. I kid you not. A po’em from my childhood _Two doity boids Sat on de coib A choipin and a boipin An eatin doity woims_ ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/36 "2018-10-26T12:14:35Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > My very Irish-American mother from the Bronx pronounces oil burner as earl boiner. I kid you not. > > A po’em from my childhood > > _Two doity boids > Sat on de coib > A choipin and a boipin > An eatin doity woims_ In an interview, Mel Blanc once said he wanted Bugs Bunny to sound tough, but couldn’t decide who was tougher, guys from Brooklyn or guys from the Bronx. So he decided to combine the two accents. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/YWb2xk-jSo8/maxresdefault.jpg "The Daughter Of Rosie O'Grady") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWb2xk-jSo8) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/37 "2018-10-26T12:45:49Z")
Turns out the King was Amos, not Louie: Amos Bushwick. Bushwick the Toiti-Toid. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgVrad0NRI) ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/38 "2018-10-26T14:40:02Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > My very Irish-American mother from the Bronx pronounces oil burner as earl boiner. I kid you not. > > A po’em from my childhood > > _Two doity boids > Sat on de coib > A choipin and a boipin > An eatin doity woims_ [Larson weighs in:](https://goo.gl/images/d4Hm5x) ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/39 "2018-10-26T14:45:58Z")
Huh. I know Boris from Rocky and Bullwinkle, but had no memory of any last name involved, so I voted the last option. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438/40 "2018-10-26T15:44:52Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > Never hard of Boris Badenov. But I have heard of Ripme-Korsetzoff. Back when Modern Warfare 2 was big my gamertag was Schatia Legov [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-anyone-know-of-boris-gudunov-before-boris-badenov/823438.md?page=3)