# Did Castle just jump the shark? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 27, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980 "2012-03-27T21:08:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/1 "2012-03-27T21:08:11Z")
Well, as much as a bit of fluff can jump the shark anyway. last night’s episode saw Castle jumping to conclusions about Beckett, deciding to walk away from any relationship with her - and not talking to her about it. Of course this will be the classic soap opera misunderstanding which could be clarified with one little convo - but no! Seemed really, really stupid to me. even for a fluffy show. What did you guys think of last night’s ep? (3/27) Was it the shark jumper? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/2 "2012-03-27T21:14:21Z")
Castle has been hurt or rebuffed numerous times by Beckett. Just one example was when she was recovering from her shooting. Beckett kicks Castle around like an annoying puppy all the time. Castle always comes back wagging his tail. The writing is getting pretty stale. imho The shark isn’t that far away for this show. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/3 "2012-03-27T21:24:33Z")
I disagree. The episode wasn’t the best they’ve ever had, but the show is quite for from and water tanks and ski equipment. Haters gotta hate, I guess, and complainers gotta complain. Every episode of every show is just another step on the downward slide to garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/4 "2012-03-27T21:25:20Z")
Sometimes Castle tries for ‘_DRAMA_’ rather than humorous detective story. When it does this, it moves away from it’s strength. It has done this before and finds it’s way back. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/5 "2012-03-27T21:28:04Z")
If the dynamic between the two of them has now permanently changed, then maybe. More likely, over the course of the next few episodes, he’ll be cold to her, she’ll finally get him to say something, and they’ll move on. The previews from next week’s episode included a conversation between Beckett and Lanie which suggest Beckett may be thinking about saying something to Castle about her feelings (then again, it wouldn’t be the first time that a preview is cut in such a way as to tease about that sort of thing). I suspect what the producers are more afraid of is what would happen to the show once the sexual tension is relieved – what happens once the two of them confess their mutual love (i.e., the _Moonlighting_ Effect)? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/6 "2012-03-27T21:52:00Z")
That will be the “Season 5” option. Once they have a good bank of shows for syndication, they can afford to let the principals get together. Then daughter can move in with grand-mother, do a spin-off show, and _Castle_ can switch into Nick and Nora mode and run for another 5-6 years. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/7 "2012-03-27T22:14:32Z")
I find the whole “will they/won’t they” cionvention stale, overdone and stupid. I’d rather have a show where they just go ahead and have sex and either it works or, even more likely, it doesn’t and they move on as friends, realizing that’s where their strength is. OR, given modern sensibilities, they remain friends with benefits. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/8 "2012-03-28T00:32:48Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I find the whole “will they/won’t they” cionvention stale, overdone and stupid. Yeah, I agree. It’s so cliched and predictable by this point. I’d actually had hopes that Castle would avoid this (hey, does TV Tropes have a page on it?) convention, but no such luck. It is possible to keep the couple interesting once they get together, but why can’t cop/FBI shows figure that out? Borrow from other types of drama, borrow from sitcoms, anything but several years of will they won’t they BS. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2012, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/9 "2012-03-28T07:03:39Z")
They’ve insisted that fans who want to see Castle and Beckett get together are going to be satisfied at the end of the season. So I have to assume that means he will figure out his boneheaded error fairly quickly. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/10 "2012-03-29T23:17:35Z")
I kind of hope he doesn’t find out his error too quickly. It would be a nice reversal to see her chasing Castle around for a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/11 "2012-04-04T20:36:38Z")
In Castle Universe, if someone with an Australian accent hands you a hastily photoshopped piece of paper saying “Scotland Yard”, then he obviously works for the Metropolitan Police. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/12 "2012-04-04T21:44:08Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > I kind of hope he doesn’t find out his error too quickly. It would be a nice reversal to see her chasing Castle around for a bit. But presumably once she finally catches him and all looks good for love at last is when she’ll learn he’s been keeping a rather massive, and actually important, secret from her. That should be good for another season of sideways glances. ---
**Author:** ![Tapiotar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@Tapiotar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapiotar)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/13 "2012-04-05T11:21:19Z")
I’d rather see Becket with any of the other guys she’s dated than with Castle. His whiny, self-cenetered narcissism is funny when the show is pure comedy, but annoying during these streaks of drama. Why don’t they drop the attempts for drama and pathos, and get back to the comedy? ---
**Author:** ![Sister\_Vigilante](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Sister\_Vigilante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sister_Vigilante)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/14 "2012-04-05T15:08:49Z")
Did anyone see the preview for the next episode? Jayne! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/15 "2012-04-05T15:39:54Z")
> [@Tapiotar](#): > > I’d rather see Becket with any of the other guys she’s dated than with Castle. His whiny, self-cenetered narcissism is funny when the show is pure comedy, but annoying during these streaks of drama. Why don’t they drop the attempts for drama and pathos, and get back to the comedy? I haven’t seen any whiny self-centered narcissism for the entire season, and possibly even the last season. While the relationship is annoyingly static and it’s arguable that the rest of the cast has in any way grown as characters, Castle has undeniably grown up and dropped the narcissistic attitude. He spends all his time now watching over and caring for everyone else, not just Beckett. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/16 "2012-04-05T15:42:26Z")
sister vigilante - I don’t understand who you are referring to in spoiler box. can you explain? ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/17 "2012-04-05T16:02:08Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > sister vigilante - I don’t understand who you are referring to in spoiler box. can you explain? I didn’t see the preview, but I assume that it showed… Adam Baldwin guest-starring - he appeared along with Nathan Fillion on ‘Firefly’ and ‘Serenity’ playing Jayne Cobb. Adam also just finished playing John Casey on ‘Chuck.’ ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/18 "2012-04-05T16:03:44Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > But presumably once she finally catches him and all looks good for love at last is when she’ll learn he’s been keeping a rather massive, and actually important, secret from her. That should be good for another season of sideways glances. Is this the secret that He heard her say that she remembers everything from the shooting, including hearing him tell her he loves her? Or is there some other secret I’m not aware of? I haven’t been a regular viewer before this season and have missed a few episodes. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/19 "2012-04-05T16:07:23Z")
> [@Sigmagirl](#): > > Is this the secret that > > He heard her say that she remembers everything from the shooting, including hearing him tell her he loves her? An answer for you (spoilered in case you don’t want to read it): Yes to the first part of the statement. He assumed that the second part of the statement is true. She said it while interrogating a suspect (while Castle was watching behind the one-way mirror), so it’s not entirely clear if she actually does remember everything, or was just saying it to get the suspect’s attention. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/20 "2012-04-05T16:18:27Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > But presumably once she finally catches him and all looks good for love at last is when she’ll learn he’s been keeping a rather massive, and actually important, secret from her. That should be good for another season of sideways glances. They’ve still got the mystery of the murder of Beckett’s mother. And they’ve barely touched the mystery of Castle’s father. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980.md?page=2)