# Did Castle just jump the shark? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 27, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980 "2012-03-27T21:08:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/21 "2012-04-05T16:37:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > They’ve still got the mystery of the murder of Beckett’s mother. And they’ve barely touched the mystery of Castle’s father. Nah…they wouldn’t dare. Would they? ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/22 "2012-04-05T16:48:03Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Yes to the first part of the statement. He assumed that the second part of the statement is true. She said it while interrogating a suspect (while Castle was watching behind the one-way mirror), so it’s not entirely clear if she actually does remember everything, or was just saying it to get the suspect’s attention. Didn’t she tell the psychiatrist she did? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/23 "2012-04-05T16:51:42Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Nah…they wouldn’t dare. > > Would they? The real question is before or after they hook up. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/24 "2012-04-05T17:08:15Z")
> [@Sigmagirl](#): > > Didn’t she tell the psychiatrist she did? yes - she did - and the emotion in the scene that castle watched made it clear what she was implying. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/25 "2012-04-05T20:55:23Z")
The secret I was referring to was not that he now knows she remembered what he said, but rather that he has a deal with someone invoke with her mothers murderer to keep her deflected so they won’t have to kill her. I inagine that learning this will piss her off. ---
**Author:** ![Tapiotar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@Tapiotar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapiotar)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/26 "2012-04-05T22:20:35Z")
Five things: 1. It shouldn’t matter whether she remembers that he said that or not…people say all sorts of things in the heat of the moment, when they think someone is dying, and anything said at that time is suspect. 2. She was shot in her freaking heart while at the funeral of her former chief, whom she learned had been corrupt. Serious PSTD. It is selfish for anyone to force his or her needy emotional trips on someone in that state. 3. She referred to her fragile emotional state and his expectations when she said she needed to deal with some stuff before she could get into a relationship. That actually was a response to his “I love you.” 4. Why is he mad at her for keeping a secret, when he’s keeping a heck of a big one? 5. His reaction to what he thinks is her rejection is like a grade schooler’s or junior high kid’s. Storming off, picking up floozies, showing confidential police info to a recent pick-up. Juvenile. Immature. Stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/27 "2012-04-05T22:28:43Z")
I agree. Castle needs to man up and put his cards on the table! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/28 "2012-04-05T22:35:15Z")
> [@Tapiotar](#): > > Five things: > > 1. It shouldn’t matter whether she remembers that he said that or not…people say all sorts of things in the heat of the moment, when they think someone is dying, and anything said at that time is suspect. That’s on her to determine. She’s being just as foolish as he is by not asking him about that. > [@](#): > > 1. She was shot in her freaking heart while at the funeral of her former chief, whom she learned had been corrupt. Serious PSTD. It is selfish for anyone to force his or her needy emotional trips on someone in that state. And while she was dealing with that at the beginning of the season, he kept clear so far as I remember. > [@](#): > > 1. She referred to her fragile emotional state and his expectations when she said she needed to deal with some stuff before she could get into a relationship. That actually was a response to his “I love you.” I don’t remember this, so can’t speak to it. > [@](#): > > 1. Why is he mad at her for keeping a secret, when he’s keeping a heck of a big one? I don’t think he IS mad. He has an extremely good reason for not telling her his secret; because her likely reaction could get her killed. So if she’s kept her secret from him, then it’s because she had a good reason, and he presumed that reason to be because she’d have to hurt him emotionally if it came out in the open, which she doesn’t want to do. That’s on him for not approaching her about it, but he’s not approaching her for the same reason she’s not approaching him: introducing the possibility of being hurt by the other person if their affections were made known could upset what they have going on the surface, which they both like. It’s an irrational, illogical decision, but not an unreasonable one. It also has the meta-benefit for the writers of keeping the will they/won’t they tension going. > [@](#): > > 1. His reaction to what he thinks is her rejection is like a grade schooler’s or junior high kid’s. Storming off, picking up floozies, showing confidential police info to a recent pick-up. Juvenile. > Immature. Stupid. This sounds like a reference to the latest episode which I haven’t seen. I wouldn’t be surprised, though. He’s become a better person primarily because of her, and he’s feeling hurt, so he’s retreating into the life he knows without her. Eventually he’ll stop being hurt and snap out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Tapiotar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@Tapiotar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapiotar)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/29 "2012-04-05T23:02:31Z")
Okay, Bosstone, I concede to you that he has grown up a lot, for the most part. Now that I looked at the trailer for the Adam Baldwin episode, I think he’ll get another kick in that direction. I think it’ll be funnier, too. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2012, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/30 "2012-04-05T23:21:41Z")
> [@Tapiotar](#): > > Five things: > > 1. It shouldn’t matter whether she remembers that he said that or not…people say all sorts of things in the heat of the moment, when they think someone is dying, and anything said at that time is suspect. > 2. She was shot in her freaking heart while at the funeral of her former chief, whom she learned had been corrupt. Serious PSTD. It is selfish for anyone to force his or her needy emotional trips on someone in that state. > 3. She referred to her fragile emotional state and his expectations when she said she needed to deal with some stuff before she could get into a relationship. That actually was a response to his “I love you.” > 4. Why is he mad at her for keeping a secret, when he’s keeping a heck of a big one? > 5. His reaction to what he thinks is her rejection is like a grade schooler’s or junior high kid’s. Storming off, picking up floozies, showing confidential police info to a recent pick-up. Juvenile. > Immature. Stupid. It’s a little less high-school-drama than this. Castle has been figuring that Beckett never heard his declaration of love. But now he realizes she did hear it - and has said nothing about it. So he’s assuming, not unjustifiably, that the reason she hasn’t mentioned it is because she doesn’t return the feeling and is trying to spare him the embarassment of being told so explicitly. He’s not mad at her for keeping a secret but he’s taking her silence as a tacit admission that she doesn’t love him and he’s decided to move on. Martha asked him if he was going to stop working with the police now that he felt this way. Castle said no, because he feels that even though he’ll never have a relationship with Beckett, he’s doing something useful in helping solve crimes and he wants to continue doing that. Which I think reflects some maturity. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/31 "2012-04-09T20:19:39Z")
I don’t think it’s jumped the shark - though I do hope it returns to less serious episodes again,like it has done before after a couple of serious ones. Why is Castle so certain she doesn’t love him just because she’s done nothing about it? They already had a conversation about how she can’t have a relationship at the moment. But it will be nice to see him less puppy-doggish around her - let her make the running for a change. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/32 "2012-04-09T20:43:46Z")
Him as a puppy-dog is funnier. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/33 "2012-04-10T03:37:59Z")
Jump the shark with this episode? They still haven’t landed their shark-jump after the incredibly stupid 2-part CIA spooks with the secret underground base and secret plot to destroy the world episode, complete with Jack Bauer-like “everybody turns out to be the opposite of who they claimed to be” plot line. They only way to have saved that episode was for it all to be a dream at the end – it was basically the stupidly elaborate plot that Castle is always seeing in mundane murders, except it was real? Stupid, stupid, stupid. By comparison, a minor misunderstanding about who loves who is barely worth mentioning. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/34 "2012-04-10T14:00:45Z")
> [@TimeWinder](#): > > Jump the shark with this episode? > > They still haven’t landed their shark-jump after the incredibly stupid 2-part CIA spooks with the secret underground base and secret plot to destroy the world episode, complete with Jack Bauer-like “everybody turns out to be the opposite of who they claimed to be” plot line. They only way to have saved that episode was for it all to be a dream at the end – it was basically the stupidly elaborate plot that Castle is always seeing in mundane murders, except it was real? Stupid, stupid, stupid. > > By comparison, a minor misunderstanding about who loves who is barely worth mentioning. Actually, I liked that story. Although I might be biased from the fact that I’ve lusted for Jennifer Beals ever since I saw _Flashdance_. In fact, the episode that didn’t work for me was the recent “dream” episode, where they were all recast in a forties detective genre. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980/35 "2012-04-10T14:07:27Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In fact, the episode that didn’t work for me was the recent “dream” episode, where they were all **recast** in a forties detective genre. OK, I just read that as “racist” instead of “recast” and wonder just what episode _you_ were watching? I need more coffee. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castle-just-jump-the-shark/616980.md?page=1)