# Did Castro Have JFK Killed?

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [February 23, 2018, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391 "2018-02-23T04:18:40Z")\
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**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/181 "2018-03-01T23:16:16Z")

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> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> Less smirk, more ballistics, please.

Tell it to our resident expert on extraterrestrial politics.

Glad you jumped in to save Czarcasm from the consequences of his own crapulence.

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**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/182 "2018-03-01T23:26:37Z")

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**proudfootz** , I’m not sure why you persist in ignoring the combined eyewitness testimonies of Clara Oswald, Petronella Osgood, and Kate Stewart (whose credentials ought not be in question. given her background and clearances).

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**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/183 "2018-03-01T23:26:53Z")

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> [@Leo\_Krupe](#):
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> Adding to the simple logic of the assassination, we have to ask these questions. If it was truly a conspiracy:
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> Why Dealey Plaza? What was so special about that place and time to kill him?
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> What is the **direct** evidence there were other shooters? There is evidence in the Book Depository (planted, yeah, I know, but it was there), but if there were gunmen at the grassy knoll, under the street, behind the motorcade, by the railroad tracks, or any other place the CTers have claimed over the years, where is the actual evidence for them? Not just eyewitness testimony, but the hard evidence? I’d like evidence either from the site itself, or a documentary paper trail (think the Watergate tapes) showing that the Mafia, the Russians, the Cubans, or someone else was behind it.
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> The common thread I come across from CTers is that “someone” else was responsible. I’m no legal authority, so I don’t know if posthumous indictments are even possible, but I know there’s no statute of limitations on murder. Why, if it’s so obvious there was a conspiracy, no DA or other legal jurisdiction has been convinced to indict one or more parties?
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> If there truly was a conspiracy to defraud the United States (and the world) by assassinating the President of the United States, and it’s being covered up by “them” 55 years later, then the world we live in is really a fraud, or The Matrix, or The Truman Show, and we can’t believe anything we believe to be reality.
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> That would really be something, wouldn’t it? For “them” to cover up reality for more than five decades. To me, that’s part and parcel of why I don’t believe in a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.

Obviously, you are free to believe whatever you like.

There wasn’t really anything special about Dallas.

The Chicago plot was eerily similar to the scenario we are taught about Dallas.

> **[Was There a Plot to Kill JFK in Chicago? : The JFK Assassination](http://22november1963.org.uk/jfk-assassination-plot-chicago)**
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> FBI warned of a plot by 4 right-wing extremists; Thomas Arthur Vallee was arrested just as Kennedy's visit to Soldier Field, Chicago, was cancelled

As for this ‘direct evidence’ you are talking about - do you really think that in order for someone to have fired a gun from any particular spot and get away they’d have to leave something for you? You’ll be lucky if there are footprints and some cigarette butts.

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**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/184 "2018-03-01T23:38:58Z")

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> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#):
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> If these were mundane historical facts, then everybody would know them and agree with them.

If it was ‘obvious’ that Oswald was the lone nut who shot the President everyone would agree about that, too.

😃

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> I find it bizarre that you and bardos want to argue this without naming who the shooter was.

That’s interesting you find it bizarre. There’s really nothing wrong when a person honestly doesn’t know something to forthrightly admit they don’t know.

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> Is it because any specific name could so easily be debunked in five seconds?

Not in my case. It’s bizarre that you jump to that conclusion instead of a reasonable one.

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> Just pouring doubt over reality may seem to be a better tactic in that sense, but it doesn’t work.

I really don’t know where this is coming from - I’m presenting a few facts to a community of people who seem bound and determined to cling to their fringe beliefs.

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> Instead you’re doing a spectacular job of showing the difference between reality-based arguments and conspiracy theories.

My arguments are all reality based. If you think otherwise, you are sadly misinformed - or worse - disinformed.

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> I suppose we should thank you for discrediting your side so thoroughly but it’s sad to see someone spend so much energy on such a bad cause.

How could I ‘discredit’ a cause in the eyes of a mob that would rather believe in aliens fighting a secret war on Earth rather than accept the possibility that a political murder could happen in the US?

Reality doesn’t stand a chance with you guys.

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/185 "2018-03-01T23:48:36Z")

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> [@proudfootz](#):
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> Tell it to our resident expert on extraterrestrial politics.
> 
> Glad you jumped in to save Czarcasm from the consequences of his own crapulence.

So you have nothing, then. Beatrice Carroll it is.

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**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\
**Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/186 "2018-03-01T23:59:38Z")

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> [@proudfootz](#):
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> …a mob that would rather believe in aliens fighting a secret war on Earth…

I’m not a mob. I’m the only one here who is actually speaking sense. Why are you dodging and weaving to avoid facing the facts?

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**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/187 "2018-03-02T00:33:29Z")

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> [@proudfootz](#):
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> Reality doesn’t stand a chance with you guys.

Might I ask then why you keep bringing up the single element of the HSCA that has been thoroughly discredited while ignored the elements of that very same report that demolish your entire argument?

To repeat:

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> Forensic analysis confirmed that the mostly-intact stretcher bullet, bullet fragments from the presidential limo and the three cartridge casings from the sniper’s nest were all fired from Oswald’s rifle to the exclusion of all others.
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> Additionally, the location of the shooter (at the 6th floor Texas School Book Depository window) was determined using trajectory analysis.
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> Forensic anthropologists as well as photographic and radiographic experts, based on unique anatomical details, verified that JFK’s autopsy photos and x-rays were only of the late president.
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> They verified that the backyard photos (showing Oswald holding the rifle used to kill the president) depicted the same rifle found in the Texas school book depository building after the crime.[5]:Vol VI, 64–66 The panel of photographic experts were also used to verify the authenticity of the assassination-related photos and to analyze for any tampering or fakery; none was detected.
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> Although the HSCA medical panel was critical of the thoroughness and methodology of the original autopsy, they unanimously concurred with the previous analysis of the late president’s wounds: the cause of death being two, and only two bullet wounds, both of which entered from above and behind (the direction of Oswald in the Book Depository).

The very source you claim backs you up undermines, contradicts, and falsifies every single important part of your argument. Yet you ignore this entirely. What conceivable reason can you give for this?

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**Author:** ![FavreCo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a698b9/32.png) [@FavreCo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FavreCo)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/188 "2018-03-02T01:50:19Z")

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> [@nelliebly](#):
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> It’s gotten plenty of attention. It just isn’t widely accepted. The theory is not without [holes.](http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Shooting_holes_in_theory_that_a_Secret_Service_agent_killed_President_Kennedy.html)

I read that article years ago. Just the picture alone tells you that gun is the one that blew his head off. As far as the article, it is pure garbage the minute he says that it couldn’t happen because it would be a 1 in a million shot. That’s what he’s going with?

I mean when you lead off with the reason of: _Accidents don’t get any freakier. Think about it. A stationary marksman aiming a rifle misses with his first shot, but a federal agent in a lurching car just happens to fire at the perfect up-down, left-right angle to hit Kennedy in the head?_ The writer right there pretty much lose all credibility. I could dig up tons of freakier accidents. [Here’s one](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1082613/Motorcyclist-killed-pheasant-flies-helmet-million-freak-accident.html)and I can find a ton of others via a google search. The fact is it could happen so that reason is not a reason at all.

Then this horrible excuse of a reason: _No one claimed to see Hickey discharge his weapon directly at the president._ Of course they didn’t, because they are not looking at that car. Add in the fact that the picture in that article clearly shows him holding the AR-15 in plain view means he had the weapon out in plain sight.

The grassy knoll is nothing. Zero.

This one is just beyond stupid and recent events of the FBI clearly show govt agencies will cover up anything: \*Hickey’s car had two administration officials inside, and seven other Secret Service agents aboard, counting four on the running boards, while at least two Dallas motorcycle cops rode alongside. Behind them were more cars full of agents and officials. Yet no one was sure that Hickey’s AR-15 was fired in Dealey Plaza? \* What a laugher of a weak argument. They all work for the same people, they are all in on covering up the blunder simply because at that time in our history to show that much incompetence would be a really bad idea. People actually think one of those guys would say, ‘oh, oops, it was our guy that stumbled & blew apart the presidents head’??? Heck no the wouldn’t and people near by did hear the gunshots (Oswalds and the single AR-15 shot). Do you remember the secret service busted in Colombia? Denial until busted.

It’s easy to destroy that guy’s article.

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**Author:** ![FavreCo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a698b9/32.png) [@FavreCo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FavreCo)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/189 "2018-03-02T02:01:17Z")

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> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Weird how it’s not evident in the film or eyewitness accounts. Or do you include mass hypnosis?  
> Have you ever heard an AR? Those things are fucking loud. No way no one noticed.

I’ve shot one so I know how loud they are. Seeing how no average citizen had ever heard of an AR-15 at that time in history or knew the decibel level, you are not going to get a witness saying ‘man that one gunshot was so much louder than the others, may have been a different gun…even maybe an AR-15.’

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**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/190 "2018-03-02T03:36:54Z")

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> [@proudfootz](#):
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> I don’t believe Oswald was there at the time of the murder, so if there was a rifle barrel sticking out Oswald wasn’t holding it.

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> This is all speculation which we have all heard a thousand times before. Still not very persuasive after all these years.

This is what gets so dull after a short time in these discussions. There’s little, if any, evidence offered, and the evidence that is offered has usually been debunked.

Then the argument comes down to the Monty Python argument sketch. It becomes pointless.

In my asking about any sort of paper trail, or evidence leading back to the conspirators, be they the Mafia, the Cubans, LBJ, the Russians, or whoever, I’m talking about evidence like Watergate, which I mentioned, and like the [Apalachin Meeting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apalachin_meeting) of the Mafia in 1957.

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> Long-time FBI director J. Edgar Hoover had denied the existence of a “National Crime Syndicate” and the need to address organized crime in America.[12][35] After the Apalachin Summit, Hoover could no longer deny the syndicate’s existence and its influence on the North American underworld, as well as Cosa Nostra’s overall control and influence of the Syndicate’s many branches throughout North America and abroad.

My point in bringing that particular meeting up is the fact that the existence of the Mafia had been denied for decades, even though it was real. But because of that meeting (and Joe Valachi’s testimony a few years later), it could no longer be denied. The same should happen if Kennedy were killed via conspiracy, even after all these years.

The bottom line is there is a mountain of evidence pointing to Oswald as the lone gunman, but no credible evidence pointing to any conspiracy. And if there is evidence of a conspiracy, then it should be brought forth, and justice should prevail. But since no one has convinced any DA (edit: Besides Jim Garrison, but he was, let’s be polite–out of order on the matter) or other member or agency of law enforcement that any credible evidence exists, it doesn’t seem as though there is any.

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**Author:** ![Lorne\_Armstrong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@Lorne\_Armstrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorne_Armstrong)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/191 "2018-03-02T08:03:16Z")

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Just how was JFK trying to end the Cold War when he was in the process of escalating Vietnam?

Also, are you aware that Jean Hill was lying and not regarded as a reliable witness by any credible researcher?

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**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/192 "2018-03-02T11:17:13Z")

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> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> So you have nothing, then. Beatrice Carroll it is.

Actually, all I have is the facts and reasoned arguments.

While on you side you have a discredited theory that is less popular than Donald Trump.

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/193 "2018-03-02T11:21:52Z")

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> [@proudfootz](#):
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> Actually, all I have is the facts and reasoned arguments.

When are you planning on presenting them?

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**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/194 "2018-03-02T11:24:03Z")

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> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#):
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> Might I ask then why you keep bringing up the single element of the HSCA that has been thoroughly discredited while ignored the elements of that very same report that demolish your entire argument?

I’m sorry, but you are mistaken in your belief that the dictabelt findings have been discredited, thoroughly or otherwise. I already provided a link which shows the ‘debunking’ is mere handwaving sophistry.

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> To repeat:
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> The very source you claim backs you up undermines, contradicts, and falsifies every single important part of your argument. Yet you ignore this entirely. What conceivable reason can you give for this?

None of that was in the source _I_ cited. Why do you insist on misrepresenting my argument? Not up to an honest debate?

Rather than engage is this Gish Gallop laundry list of claims, why not try and follow the discussion in a reasoned manner? Or would that be a threat to your peace of mind?

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**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/195 "2018-03-02T11:36:52Z")

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> [@Leo\_Krupe](#):
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> This is what gets so dull after a short time in these discussions. There’s little, if any, evidence offered, and the evidence that is offered has usually been debunked.

Yes, it does get dull when people such as yourself makes these vague claims about something having been debunked somewhere, some time, by someone.

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> Then the argument comes down to the Monty Python argument sketch. It becomes pointless.

Yes, there you are, limbless and impotent, shouting about how yours is the majority opinion that doesn’t need defending.

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> In my asking about any sort of paper trail, or evidence leading back to the conspirators, be they the Mafia, the Cubans, LBJ, the Russians, or whoever, I’m talking about evidence like Watergate, which I mentioned, and like the [Apalachin Meeting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apalachin_meeting) of the Mafia in 1957.

Ask away. Ask for the moon while you’re at it.

You really think I have the power to conduct a raid on CIA headquarters and seize documents? LOL! You have been living under this rock a bit too long.

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> My point in bringing that particular meeting up is the fact that the existence of the Mafia had been denied for decades, even though it was real. But because of that meeting (and Joe Valachi’s testimony a few years later), it could no longer be denied. The same should happen if Kennedy were killed via conspiracy, even after all these years.

Good example - the Mafia did exist even before the Apalachin raid or Valachi did his thing. Yet like Hoover, it seems to suit you to live in denial.

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> The bottom line is there is a mountain of evidence pointing to Oswald as the lone gunman, but no credible evidence pointing to any conspiracy.

Like I said - simple denialism. So predictable and boring, yet you persist!

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> And if there is evidence of a conspiracy, then it should be brought forth, and justice should prevail. But since no one has convinced any DA (edit: Besides Jim Garrison, but he was, let’s be polite–out of order on the matter) or other member or agency of law enforcement that any credible evidence exists, it doesn’t seem as though there is any.

LOL! No one has convinced anyone that a case could be made - and those who have been convinced _must_ be wrong because _you_ aren’t convinced.

You really are endearing in your determination to cling to the out-dated and discredited theory floated by the Warren Commission that even the Warren Commissioners doubted.

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**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/196 "2018-03-02T11:40:12Z")

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> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> When are you planning on presenting them?

I have done so - try reading my posts where JFK’s policies are discussed, or the acoustics evidence, or shots heard from the so-called ‘Grassy Knoll’.

But if it’s too much trouble to read what’s posted, perhaps you should consider retiring from the thread.

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**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/197 "2018-03-02T11:52:05Z")

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> [@Lorne\_Armstrong](#):
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> Just how was JFK trying to end the Cold War when he was in the process of escalating Vietnam?

That is a thoroughly discredited canard.

Actually, JFK set in motion his withdrawal plan. Sadly, after his murder, his successor reversed the policy and escalated instead. Result: more murder and mayhem in Southeast Asia and pots of money for the war profiteers. A win/win!

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> Also, are you aware that Jean Hill was lying and not regarded as a reliable witness by any credible researcher?

…and you know she was lying because…?

The fact is there were witnesses and police who investigated the location known as the Grassy Knoll, which is indisputable evidence (among the sane) that it was immediately linked to the murder.

Unless you’re suggesting the cops were having a slow day and just poking around the Grassy Knoll out of sheer boredom? LOL!

The Lone Nutter Theory just seems to require its adherents to claim people act in unmotivated, uncredible, and inane actions when better explanations are offered - often by the actors themselves (who now must be liars and fools because… well, just because).

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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/198 "2018-03-02T12:33:00Z")

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Clearly this is all a distraction to draw attention from the framing of Leon Czolgosz. Everyone knows it was a plot by those opposed to McKinley’s policies to end to American isolationism.

And Roosevelt was a crack shot - where was he on the day? “Out of contact” in the remote Adirondack woods as claimed? A likely story!

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**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\
**Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/199 "2018-03-02T12:46:16Z")

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> [@FavreCo](#):
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> I read that article years ago. Just the picture alone tells you that gun is the one that blew his head off. As far as the article, it is pure garbage the minute he says that it couldn’t happen because it would be a 1 in a million shot. That’s what he’s going with?
> 
> I mean when you lead off with the reason of: _Accidents don’t get any freakier. Think about it. A stationary marksman aiming a rifle misses with his first shot, but a federal agent in a lurching car just happens to fire at the perfect up-down, left-right angle to hit Kennedy in the head?_ The writer right there pretty much lose all credibility. I could dig up tons of freakier accidents. [Here’s one](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1082613/Motorcyclist-killed-pheasant-flies-helmet-million-freak-accident.html)and I can find a ton of others via a google search. The fact is it could happen so that reason is not a reason at all.

I agree that suggesting that the hypothesis is wrong merely because it might be a rare case is rather lazy.

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> Then this horrible excuse of a reason: _No one claimed to see Hickey discharge his weapon directly at the president._ Of course they didn’t, because they are not looking at that car. Add in the fact that the picture in that article clearly shows him holding the AR-15 in plain view means he had the weapon out in plain sight.

There’s no reliable witness that can put the alleged murder weapon in Oswald’s hands either.

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> The grassy knoll is nothing. Zero.

Clearly we will disagree on this.

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> This one is just beyond stupid and recent events of the FBI clearly show govt agencies will cover up anything: \*Hickey’s car had two administration officials inside, and seven other Secret Service agents aboard, counting four on the running boards, while at least two Dallas motorcycle cops rode alongside. Behind them were more cars full of agents and officials. Yet no one was sure that Hickey’s AR-15 was fired in Dealey Plaza? \* What a laugher of a weak argument. They all work for the same people, they are all in on covering up the blunder simply because at that time in our history to show that much incompetence would be a really bad idea. People actually think one of those guys would say, ‘oh, oops, it was our guy that stumbled & blew apart the presidents head’??? Heck no the wouldn’t and people near by did hear the gunshots (Oswalds and the single AR-15 shot). Do you remember the secret service busted in Colombia? Denial until busted.
> 
> It’s easy to destroy that guy’s article.

Anyone familiar with how government agencies seem to respond to crises can be excused for thinking their first instinct is to start with a lie. Then lie to cover up for the lying. Rinse and repeat.

I am not personally persuaded of the ‘mortal error’ thesis, though I have no qualms in considering any hypothesis in the face of this unsolved crime.

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**Proudfootz** , how does your theory incorporate the assassination attempt on General Walker? Actually done by Oswald, someone else, never happened, etc?

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