# Did Castro Have JFK Killed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 23, 2018, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391 "2018-02-23T04:18:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/81 "2018-03-01T16:46:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You seem to be in no position to argue, period. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Where are your facts specifically about the assassination itself? One fact that is unaccounted for by ‘Oswald did it’ theorists is that there appears to have been more than one shooter, as based on witness testimony and backed by audio + photographic evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/82 "2018-03-01T16:48:50Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > :rolleyes: > > One fact that is unaccounted for by ‘Oswald did it’ theorists is that there appears to have been more than one shooter, as based on witness testimony and backed by audio + photographic evidence. Been examined to death and rightfully dismissed. Have you done any actual examination of the facts at _all_? ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/83 "2018-03-01T16:49:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > According to [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/oct/27/the-best-books-about-the-jfk-assassination-from-norman-mailer-to-don-delillo), most books are _anti_-Warren Report. That’s as may be. The goalpost was who was making money off their theories. Apparently that location was inconvenient for you. :smack: Also, there are more than books. Plenty of ‘journalists’ write about blaming Oswald, or Cuba, or Russia… ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/84 "2018-03-01T16:52:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Been examined to death and rightfully dismissed. That’s _your_ opinion. > [@](#): > > Have you done any actual examination of the facts at _all_? I certainly have. No reason for you to suddenly switch to ‘kill the messenger’ mode just because you have nothing to add to a rational discussion. ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/85 "2018-03-01T16:54:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Soooo…you’ve got absolutely _nothing_(besides vague handwaving, that is) to back up your opinion? I merely pointed out that the opinion floated in the OP is not only unsubstantiated, but nonsensical. In its place I suggested something which not only has the virtue of making perfect sense, but also accords with the known facts. That seems to make you angry. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/86 "2018-03-01T17:01:03Z")
The problem here is that some people find it hard to believe that a simple action like a nutcase pissed off at the President simply firing a bullet can possibly effect what happens to a major historical figure-it MUST take a major effort to effect a major historical event! Let me break this to you gently: Any bullet can kill _anyone_, and special people do not have special force fields that cannot be penetrated by ordinary bullets fired by ordinary people. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/87 "2018-03-01T17:04:31Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > That’s as may be. > > The goalpost was who was making money off their theories. > > Apparently that location was inconvenient for you. :smack: > > Also, there are more than books. Plenty of ‘journalists’ write about blaming Oswald, or Cuba, or Russia… Name the books and/or journalists that are profiting off the notion that Oswald acted alone…or is this even more vague handwaving? ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/88 "2018-03-01T17:04:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You would lose that bet, easily. Really? I think you’re wrong. > [@](#): > > Why don’t you give us the top ten books that made money telling us that there was no conspiracy and that Oswald did it by himself? Since you are so interested in book sales, I’ll let you have the first go. Or are you Just Asking Questions? ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/89 "2018-03-01T17:08:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The problem here is that some people find it hard to believe that a simple action like a nutcase pissed off at the President simply firing a bullet can possibly effect what happens to a major historical figure-it MUST take a major effort to effect a major historical event! How did you establish this ‘fact’? :smack: Sounds more like you’re interested in building a Strawman based on blatantly obvious _ad hominems_. > [@](#): > > Let me break this to you gently: Any bullet can kill _anyone_, and special people do not have special force fields that cannot be penetrated by ordinary bullets fired by ordinary people. Since _I_ don’t believe the made up stuff in your post, who exactly are you addressing? If you seem to have nothing intelligent to add, it might be best for you to sit this one out. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/90 "2018-03-01T17:10:27Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Really? I think you’re wrong. > > Since you are so interested in book sales, I’ll let you have the first go. > > Or are you Just Asking Questions? No-I’m Just Asking For You To Back Up Any Of Your Claims With Something Other Than Vague Hand-Waving. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/91 "2018-03-01T17:13:57Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Is it _common_ for bullets to leave fragments along their trajectories? Well, if they hit things, yes. I’m not talking about a bullet randomly shedding like a Husky, but about leaving actual traces of its existence as it interacts with peoples and objects, i.e. putting holes in stuff. If there were more than one sniper, describe the paths their bullets took and back this up with evidence. So far, everything points to three rounds fired from behind and above the limo. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/92 "2018-03-01T17:21:23Z")
The Zygon civil war is not occurring on their homeworld. Duh. There isn’t even a planet called Zygon. Duh. they don’t have a president. Duh. Come on, **proudfootz** , use a little common sense, willya? “Jack Kennedy” was a shapeshifter. That’s common knowledge. He was assassinated by the Zygon High Command. These are simple facts, and I can absolutely support it as well as you can support your pet hypotheses. [I believe this will provide all the factual evidence required](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20820495&postcount=92). . ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/93 "2018-03-01T17:21:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Name the books and/or journalists that are profiting off the notion that Oswald acted alone…or is this even more vague handwaving? Gerald Posner for one had a best seller repeating the story. Bugliosi is said to have received a million dollars advance from Norton for his Big Lone Nutter Book. LIFE magazine published any number of issues stuffed full of ads in support of the Lone Nut theory. Broadcast television regularly puts out programs designed to ‘prove’ the Lone Nut theory. FFS have you watched no television, listened to no radio, read no newspapers, magazines, or books in the past 50 years? On the one hand you seem to pretend you know something about the case, and then on the other profess never to have heard or read anything about it. Smooth move in refuting your own arguments - leaves nothing left for anyone else to do! ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/94 "2018-03-01T17:28:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, if they hit things, yes. I’m not talking about a bullet randomly shedding like a Husky, but about leaving actual traces of its existence as it interacts with peoples and objects, i.e. putting holes in stuff. Glad to see you retract the [apparent] claim about fragments along a bullet’s trajectory. > [@](#): > > If there were more than one sniper, describe the paths their bullets took and back this up with evidence. According to audio, photographic, and witness testimony there was at least one shooter behind the limousine, and one in the front. > [@](#): > > So far, everything points to three rounds fired from behind and above the limo. Not everything - audio evidence indicates at least on shot from in front of the limousine, as confirmed by witnesses and consistent with photographic evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/95 "2018-03-01T17:28:22Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > On the one hand you seem to pretend you know something about the case, and then on the other profess never to have heard or read anything about it. What the _hell_ are you talking about? YOU are the one that popped into this thread waving your unsubstantiated theory all over the place. YOU are the one that has failed to name a single source for this idea of yours. YOU are the one that answers requests for facts with the worst case of “No-U!!” I’ve seen in months. _Where are the facts to back up your notion?_ _Who are your witnesses, and where is your evidence?_ ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/96 "2018-03-01T17:30:24Z")
> [@andros](#): > > The Zygon civil war is not occurring on their homeworld. Duh. There isn’t even a planet called Zygon. Duh. they don’t have a president. Duh. > > Come on, **proudfootz** , use a little common sense, willya? > > “Jack Kennedy” was a shapeshifter. That’s common knowledge. He was assassinated by the Zygon High Command. These are simple facts, and I can absolutely support it as well as you can support your pet hypotheses. [I believe this will provide all the factual evidence required](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20820495&postcount=92). > . If that’s what you believe, I don’t have the professional qualifications to help you. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/97 "2018-03-01T17:35:57Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > According to audio, photographic, and witness testimony there was at least one shooter behind the limousine, and one in the front. > > Not everything - audio evidence indicates at least on shot from in front of the limousine, as confirmed by witnesses and consistent with photographic evidence. What audio evidence do you know of that indicates where the shots came from? And how do you account for the scientifically established fact that the bullets that hit Kennedy came from Oswald’s rifle, to the exclusion of every other weapon? Then you can link to the photographic evidence of multiple shooters. ETA - I will link to [this site](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm) proactively, since I have never seen a CT claim that has not already been debunked there. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/98 "2018-03-01T17:38:29Z")
Of course, the real killer of Jack Kennedy was Beatrice “Bea” Carroll. She even framed Evelyn Curry for it, before confessing. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/99 "2018-03-01T17:42:18Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Glad to see you retract the [apparent] claim about fragments along a bullet’s trajectory. I clarified, from what was admittedly sloppy but not wholly inaccurate phrasing. > [@](#): > > According to audio, photographic, and witness testimony there was at least one shooter behind the limousine, and one in the front. Such as…? > [@](#): > > Not everything - audio evidence indicates at least on shot from in front of the limousine, as confirmed by witnesses and consistent with photographic evidence. Such as…? ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/100 "2018-03-01T17:47:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What the _hell_ are you talking about? The OP - how the facts better support an internal coup than a bizarre plot from Cuba. Someone then floated the strange notion that if benefiting from the assassination was a sufficient motive, maybe we should look at skeptics of the Warren Commission as possible suspects. :smack: I then made the observation that Lone Nut theorists make money, too. > [@](#): > > YOU are the one that popped into this thread waving your unsubstantiated theory all over the place. YOU are the one that has failed to name a single source for this idea of yours. YOU are the one that answers requests for facts with the worst case of “No-U!!” I’ve seen in months. Now you’re verging on argument by CAPS LOCK. Take my advice - if this discussion triggers too strong an emotional reaction in you, just take a break from it. > [@](#): > > _Where are the facts to back up your notion?_ I have already stated - the fact that Kennedy’s polices undermined the Cold War gravy train was a disincentive for Russia or Cuba to kill him and simultaneously would provide a substantial reason for domestic interests to eliminate him. Do you seriously not know anything about Kennedy’s policies that you need me to teach you about post-WWII politics in a thread like this? > [@](#): > > _Who are your witnesses, and where is your evidence?_ If you ever decide to start investigating the case, you can easily find photographs (if you are allergic to reading) which show witnesses rushing to the so-called ‘Grassy Knoll’ in pursuit - as they said - of a shooter in front of the limousine. This is another fact that your Lone Nutter theory cannot account for. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391.md?page=6)