# Did Castro Have JFK Killed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 23, 2018, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391 "2018-02-23T04:18:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/101 "2018-03-01T17:52:23Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > If you ever decide to start investigating the case, you can easily find photographs (if you are allergic to reading) which show witnesses rushing to the so-called ‘Grassy Knoll’ in pursuit - as they said - of a shooter in front of the limousine. Which of these [witnesses](https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=009692819969986975742%3Afvtj6trw3km&q=running+toward+grassy+knoll&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A0&siteurl=mcadams.posc.mu.edu%2Findex.htm&ref=mcadams.posc.mu.edu%2Fhome.htm&ss=6873j2703269j27#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=running%20toward%20grassy%20knoll&gsc.page=1)claim to have run towards the grassy knoll? And how you account for the fact that Kennedy was struck from behind, not from the grassy knoll? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/102 "2018-03-01T17:56:15Z")
Your stupid theory, so _you_ provide the evidence to support it. BTW, you don’t win just because people get tired of your nonsense and go away shaking their heads. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/103 "2018-03-01T18:04:58Z")
Truth be told, I vaguely recall some accounts that described witnesses thinking shots were coming from the knoll, but if there was a shooter there, he must’ve completely missed since there’s no indication his bullet(s) hit anything. Maybe there was a firecracker enthusiast on the grassy knoll. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/104 "2018-03-01T18:10:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Truth be told, I vaguely recall some accounts that described witnesses thinking shots were coming from the knoll, but if there was a shooter there, he must’ve completely missed since there’s no indication his bullet(s) hit anything. Maybe there was a firecracker enthusiast on the grassy knoll. BTW, [here is a picture of the infamous grassy knoll.](http://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-11-23/people-dive-for-cover-on-the-grassy-knoll/1513472) Please point out where the gunman/gunmen could possibly hide and not be seen by everyone else that was there. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/105 "2018-03-01T18:12:39Z")
He’s… uh… behind the fence, there. Crouched down real low. Maybe in a foxhole he quickly filled in before escaping. Look over there - Johnson is getting sworn in and I bet he had something to do with it! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/106 "2018-03-01T18:15:17Z")
Someone is shooting from over there. Come on, everybody - let’s charge him! Maybe someone will take our picture! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/107 "2018-03-01T18:15:40Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > What audio evidence do you know of that indicates where the shots came from? Analysis of a dictabelt recording in Dallas by two independent scientific studies persuaded the HSCA that there was a probable conspiracy in the murder because it was shown that echo correlation indicated at least one shot from the so-called ‘Grassy Knoll’ location. The simplest explanation for the correlation between the impulses recorded on the tape and the geometry of Dealey Plaza and the images recorded by amateur films of the murder is that there was a shot from that location. > [@](#): > > And how do you account for the scientifically established fact that the bullets that hit Kennedy came from Oswald’s rifle, to the exclusion of every other weapon? Is that a fact? Is this based on striations on bullets recovered during an autopsy? > [@](#): > > Then you can link to the photographic evidence of multiple shooters. I may have expressed my point inelegantly. The impulses on the dictabelt were found to be consistent with films of the murder, the simplest explanation of which is that the recording is a genuine recording of the crime and that the shot that threw Kennedy back came from the front. > [@](#): > > ETA - I will link to [this site](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm) proactively, since I have never seen a CT claim that has not already been debunked there. Yes, I have seen the McAdams site before. Regards, Proudfootz ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/108 "2018-03-01T18:15:55Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > If that’s what you believe, I don’t have the professional qualifications to help you. I have literally provided as much evidence for my hypothesis as you have of yours. Arguably more, as you have not even presented a coherent thesis. Just another boring, banal, run-of-the-mill conspiracy theory. Depressing. I would love to see something new, something with a little effort behind it. . ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/109 "2018-03-01T18:16:35Z")
There’s also such a thing as echoes. Different witnesses heard varying numbers of shots for that reason. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/110 "2018-03-01T18:18:03Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Yes, I have seen the McAdams site before. > > Regards, > > Proudfootz Next time you see it, try reading it. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/111 "2018-03-01T18:25:20Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Analysis of a dictabelt recording in Dallas by two independent scientific studies persuaded the HSCA that there was a probable conspiracy in the murder because it was shown that echo correlation indicated at least one shot from the so-called ‘Grassy Knoll’ location. > > The simplest explanation for the correlation between the impulses recorded on the tape and the geometry of Dealey Plaza and the images recorded by amateur films of the murder is that there was a shot from that location. Are you familiar with subsequent investigations into the Dictabelt recording? ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/112 "2018-03-01T18:27:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Your stupid theory, so _you_ provide the evidence to support it. > BTW, you don’t win just because people get tired of your nonsense and go away shaking their heads. I have supported my contentions. No, your pretense that I haven’t doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/113 "2018-03-01T18:27:43Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Analysis of a dictabelt recording in Dallas by two independent scientific studies persuaded the HSCA that there was a probable conspiracy in the murder because it was shown that echo correlation indicated at least one shot from the so-called ‘Grassy Knoll’ location. > > The simplest explanation for the correlation between the impulses recorded on the tape and the geometry of Dealey Plaza and the images recorded by amateur films of the murder is that there was a shot from that location. I should have guessed that was it. You might want to read up on the [evidence](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/skip.txt). > [@](#): > > Is that a fact? Is this based on striations on bullets recovered during an autopsy? Examination of the bullet, including [neutron activation analysis](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/wound3.txt). Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/114 "2018-03-01T18:31:16Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > I have supported my contentions. > > No, your pretense that I haven’t doesn’t count. Here’s a clue for you: **Shodan** and I are agreeing with each other. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/115 "2018-03-01T18:32:36Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > No, your pretense that I haven’t doesn’t count. Not your decision to make. ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/116 "2018-03-01T18:38:06Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Which of these [witnesses](https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=009692819969986975742%3Afvtj6trw3km&q=running+toward+grassy+knoll&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A0&siteurl=mcadams.posc.mu.edu%2Findex.htm&ref=mcadams.posc.mu.edu%2Fhome.htm&ss=6873j2703269j27#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=running%20toward%20grassy%20knoll&gsc.page=1)claim to have run towards the grassy knoll? Is that a list of the people photographed rushing to the location where these witnesses believe there was a shooter? > [@](#): > > And how you account for the fact that Kennedy was struck from behind, not from the grassy knoll? If you read my posts more carefully, you will notice that I mention the evidence indicates at least one shoot from behind the limousine. When the audio from the shot in front is matched to the film, it is apparent Kennedy was struck at that moment. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/117 "2018-03-01T18:40:11Z")
Still waiting for the photographs of multiple people rushing towards the grassy knoll in pursuit of a shooter in front of the limousine. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/118 "2018-03-01T18:41:10Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Are you familiar with subsequent investigations into the Dictabelt recording? Yes, I am very much aware there have been some efforts to try and debunk it. In the end I tend to trust the scientific findings regarding the geometry and timing of the shots by the top experts in the field of forensic acoustics over revisionists. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/119 "2018-03-01T18:43:53Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Is that a list of the people photographed rushing to the location where these witnesses believe there was a shooter? No, that was what you were going to produce. I just gave you a list of other witnesses, in case they matched what you said. > [@](#): > > If you read my posts more carefully, you will notice that I mention the evidence indicates at least one shoot from behind the limousine. > > When the audio from the shot in front is matched to the film, it is apparent Kennedy was struck at that moment. So all the multiple shooters fired at exactly the same instant, but only Oswald hit Kennedy? Is that your theory? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/120 "2018-03-01T18:45:12Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Yes, I am very much aware there have been some efforts to try and debunk it. > > In the end I tend to trust the scientific findings regarding the geometry and timing of the shots by the top experts in the field of forensic acoustics over revisionists. Who are these top experts? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391.md?page=7)