# Did Castro Have JFK Killed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 23, 2018, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391 "2018-02-23T04:18:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/121 "2018-03-01T18:46:22Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Yes, I am very much aware there have been some efforts to try and debunk it. > > In the end I tend to trust the scientific findings regarding the geometry and timing of the shots by the top experts in the field of forensic acoustics over revisionists. The National Academy of Sciences’ experts aren’t top experts? Peer-reviewed scientific journalists aren’t credible? ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/122 "2018-03-01T18:46:34Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I should have guessed that was it. You might want to read up on the [evidence](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/skip.txt). > Examination of the bullet, including [neutron activation analysis](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/wound3.txt). I have read up on the evidence, which is why I have made the considered judgement I have. What is it you think about the neutron activation analysis that links a bullet fragment to one and only one weapon to the exclusion of all others? You _do_ know that different weapons can fire bullets from the same ammo box, right? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/123 "2018-03-01T18:47:25Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Yes, I am very much aware there have been some efforts to try and debunk it. > > In the end I tend to trust the scientific findings regarding the geometry and timing of the shots by the top experts in the field of forensic acoustics over revisionists. So you believe this - > [@](#): > > For the reasons discussed above and in its format report, the committee on Ballistic Acoustics unanimously concluded that the acoustic impulses atrributed to gunshots were recorded about 1minute after the President had been shot and the motorcade had been instructed to go to the hospital, and that reliable acoustic data do not support a conclusion that there was a second gunman. Good, we are making progress. Still hoping for those photographs. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/124 "2018-03-01T18:54:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Still waiting for the photographs of multiple people rushing towards the grassy knoll in pursuit of a shooter in front of the limousine. Regards, Proudfootz ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/125 "2018-03-01T18:57:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, that was what you were going to produce. I just gave you a list of other witnesses, in case they matched what you said. I see. So you just wanted me to compare your random list to a list you wanted me to produce. > [@](#): > > So all the multiple shooters fired at exactly the same instant, but only Oswald hit Kennedy? Is that your theory? The evidence indicates ate least one shooter from the so-called ‘Grassy Knoll’ area did strike Kennedy. No need for a theory. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/126 "2018-03-01T19:00:26Z")
JFK conspiracy theory discussions are truly like whack-a-mole. Just when you think the nation has turned the corner, someone comes out the woodwork like they’ve been in a time warp since 1964 with a conspiracy theory again. Whack one, and another one takes it’s place over here. You’d think over 50 years of thoughtful research, computer simulation, discovery, books, TV specials, and a complete lack of evidence supporting any conspiracy theory, these people would die off. But no. I’d bet $100 **proudfootz** thinks the govm’t blew up the WTC, but I don’t have the energy to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/127 "2018-03-01T19:01:01Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Regards, > > Proudfootz “The witnesses chasing up the grassy knoll, chasing the assassin” People were running all over the place. Who were these witnesses? Let me see their statements saying they were witnesses, and that they were chasing someone. Your “evidence”, without those statements, is crap. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/128 "2018-03-01T19:08:14Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > What audio evidence do you know of that indicates where the shots came from? And how do you account for the scientifically established fact that the bullets that hit Kennedy came from Oswald’s rifle, to the exclusion of every other weapon? > > Then you can link to the photographic evidence of multiple shooters. > > ETA - I will link to [this site](http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm) proactively, since I have never seen a CT claim that has not already been debunked there. > > Regards, > Shodan McAdams is probably the single best website out there for information, but just for the hell of it, I’ll add [this one](http://www.jfkfiles.com/index.html). Dale Myers has created several computer models based on evidence showing Oswald acted alone. He also goes into other “theories,” such as “Badge Man,” and shows there’s nothing there. Excellent information from both sites, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/129 "2018-03-01T19:09:15Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > JFK conspiracy theory discussions are truly like whack-a-mole. > > Just when you think the nation has turned the corner, someone comes out the woodwork like they’ve been in a time warp since 1964 with a conspiracy theory again. Whack one, and another one takes it’s place over here. > > You’d think over 50 years of thoughtful research, computer simulation, discovery, books, TV specials, and a complete lack of evidence supporting any conspiracy theory, these people would die off. But no. > > I’d bet $100 **proudfootz** thinks the govm’t blew up the WTC, but I don’t have the energy to ask. And they always bring up theories that have been debunked many times before. What is their reasoning? “But _I’M_ making the claim this time, so you have to start the process all over again!” Hey, **proudfootz** -Been there, done that, read the book, saw the movie, saw the stage play based on the movie, ate the limited edition cereal, got the bobbleheads, and bought the promotional glasses at Burger King. Got something new to bring to the table? If not…you are just boring me. ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/130 "2018-03-01T19:11:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who are these top experts? Wow - you _still_ don’t know anything about the case? :smack: A team from Bolt, Beranek and Newman (the same guys who investigated the Kent Stae massacre) were appointed as experts by the HSCA on the recommendation of the Acoustical Society of America. Further study by Weiss and Aschkenasy confirmed the findings. ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/131 "2018-03-01T19:18:35Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > McAdams is probably the single best website out there for information, but just for the hell of it, I’ll add [this one](http://www.jfkfiles.com/index.html). Dale Myers has created several computer models based on evidence showing Oswald acted alone. He also goes into other “theories,” such as “Badge Man,” and shows there’s nothing there. Excellent information from both sites, in my opinion. Dale Myers isn’t above fudging the facts to try and make his theories seem more credible. [http://www.patspeer.com/chapter12c%3Aanimania](http://www.patspeer.com/chapter12c%3Aanimania) In the end, too much twisting of known facts is required to make his nonsense ‘work’. ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/132 "2018-03-01T19:21:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And they always bring up theories that have been debunked many times before. What is their reasoning? “But _I’M_ making the claim this time, so you have to start the process all over again!” > Hey, **proudfootz** -Been there, done that, read the book, saw the movie, saw the stage play based on the movie, ate the limited edition cereal, got the bobbleheads, and bought the promotional glasses at Burger King. > Got something new to bring to the table? If not…you are just boring me. Your repeated and unsubstantiated clams that anything I’ve written has been ‘debunked’ by someone, somewhere, sometime is what’s boring. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/133 "2018-03-01T19:23:38Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Wow - you _still_ don’t know anything about the case? :smack: > > A team from Bolt, Beranek and Newman (the same guys who investigated the Kent Stae massacre) were appointed as experts by the HSCA on the recommendation of the Acoustical Society of America. Further study by Weiss and Aschkenasy confirmed the findings. > **[Kennedy-Half-Century-Audio-Research.pdf](https://www.thekennedyhalfcentury.com/pdf/Kennedy-Half-Century-Audio-Research.pdf)** > > 7.21 MB > [@](#): > > Analysis of the Dallas Police Department Dictabelt Recording Related to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy > Detailed analyses of other > sound artifacts > were also > performed. The evidence obtained suggests that the motorcycle was > not part of the motorcade and > therefore > was not in a position to > record the sounds of gunfire. > **[John F. Kennedy assassination Dictabelt recording | Possible origins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_Dictabelt_recording#Possible_origins)** > > Left unanswered by the professional analyses was the question of whose open microphone captured the sounds recorded on the Dictabelt, if not Officer H.B. McLain. Jim Bowles, a Dallas police dispatcher supervisor in November 1963, and later Dallas County Sheriff, believes it originated from a particular officer on a three-wheeled motorcycle stationed at the Dallas Trade Mart, the original destination of President Kennedy's motorcade, along the same freeway to Parkland Hospital, which would account... > [@](#): > > Jim Bowles, a Dallas police dispatcher supervisor in November 1963, and later Dallas County Sheriff, believes it originated from a particular officer on a three-wheeled motorcycle stationed at the Dallas Trade Mart, the original destination of President Kennedy’s motorcade, along the same freeway to Parkland Hospital, which would account for the sound of sirens rushing by. McLain himself believes that it was from a different officer on a three-wheeler near the Trade Mart, who was known for his whistling. When interviewed by author Vincent Bugliosi, the officer acknowledged that his microphone could have been stuck in the open position (he did not recall hearing any transmissions for several minutes), and could later have become unstuck after he followed the motorcade to Parkland Hospital. There seem to be differing attitudes toward the HSCA. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/134 "2018-03-01T19:25:35Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Dale Myers isn’t above fudging the facts to try and make his theories seem more credible. > > [http://www.patspeer.com/chapter12c%3Aanimania](http://www.patspeer.com/chapter12c%3Aanimania) > > In the end, too much twisting of known facts is required to make his nonsense ‘work’. What specifically are you trying to say with that link? It’s a very long article. Is there something in particular you want us to know about it? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/135 "2018-03-01T19:27:25Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > The evidence indicates ate least one shooter from the so-called ‘Grassy Knoll’ area did strike Kennedy. What evidence is that? The Dictabelt thing is fairly well debunked. Both the shots that hit Kennedy and Connally came from behind. What evidence do you mean? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/136 "2018-03-01T19:28:56Z")
> [@proudfootz](#): > > Wow - you _still_ don’t know anything about the case? :smack: > > A team from Bolt, Beranek and Newman (the same guys who investigated the Kent Stae massacre) were appointed as experts by the HSCA on the recommendation of the Acoustical Society of America. Further study by Weiss and Aschkenasy confirmed the findings. You’re not kidding anyone here - we all know, and you know we know, about how that analysis was followed up by a giant “nevermind,” just a few months later, when it was conclusively determined that the recording happened well after the assassination. Why are you ignoring it? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/137 "2018-03-01T19:31:47Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > What evidence is that? The Dictabelt thing is fairly well debunked. Both the shots that hit Kennedy and Connally came from behind. What evidence do you mean? > > Regards, > Shodan The blurry video showing everyone running around, with the narrator claiming that two of them were witnesses and that they were chasing the supposed gunman. _Do_ try to keep up, old chap. ---
**Author:** ![proudfootz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@proudfootz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/proudfootz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/138 "2018-03-01T19:38:33Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > What specifically are you trying to say with that link? It’s a very long article. Is there something in particular you want us to know about it? It is a discussion about Dale Myers and his methods. In it we are shown how Myers moves wounds around on Kennedy’s body to try and make his theory work. Apparently, such chicanery is convincing to some people. If this discussion is too detailed I suggest people stop asking for citations. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/139 "2018-03-01T19:41:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who are these top experts? Top. Experts. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391/140 "2018-03-01T19:42:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The blurry video showing everyone running around, with the narrator claiming that two of them were witnesses and that they were chasing the supposed gunman. > _Do_ try to keep up, old chap. Who paid you to say that? Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-castro-have-jfk-killed/809391.md?page=8)