# Did Christie (or his staff) intentionally cause the Fort Lee traffic jam? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 9, 2014, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351 "2014-01-09T13:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1281 "2017-09-19T16:25:14Z")
[moderating] > [@BigT](#): > > When someone is deliberately antagonizing him? Of course it is. When it clearly gnaws at you that you come back to a board you left a long time ago? And you’re still being an asshole about it? Why would anyone give you the satisfaction? > > He’s under no moral obligation to do it for you. I wouldn’t do it either. Giving assholes what they want only encourages them to continue being assholes. This is a warning for personal insults. If you feel you must, the BBQ Pit is right around the corner. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1282 "2017-09-19T16:36:23Z")
Crap. I thought I was in the Pit. I distinctly even remember opening the Pit forum right before this. How the fuck did I mess up like that? Am I gonna have to add a tweak that marks the Pit in a different color scheme or something? I really do not want to break the rules here. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1283 "2017-09-19T17:43:15Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > For what though? He probably did not order the lane closures. He made the mistake of having idiots in his inner circle, but what else has he done. The guys an ass so in many ways but is he actually a criminal? I have no dog in this fight, but he obviously knew about it. I don’t give two shits what happens to him from here, but he knew about it. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1284 "2017-09-20T01:27:08Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Is it really so hard to admit that it looks like your prediction was wrong? The sky won’t fall, you know. People have gotten away with murder before. As has been said many times, better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man be imprisoned. I think a better question is why you are apparently so overjoyed at the prospect of this scumbucket getting away with this particular crime. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1285 "2017-09-21T16:11:45Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > People have gotten away with murder before. As has been said many times, better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man be imprisoned. I think a better question is why you are apparently so overjoyed at the prospect of this scumbucket getting away with this particular crime. Better a hundred scum buckets go free than miss one chance to taste sweet liberal tears. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1286 "2017-09-21T19:14:08Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > People have gotten away with murder before. As has been said many times, better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man be imprisoned. Lol, nice try at changing the subject. The fact is that I have stated repeatedly that I believe Christie was complicit in Bridgegate. Whether he is culpable and whether he will resign over the scandal are two different questions. Because wishes are not reality. > [@](#): > > I think a better question is why you are apparently so overjoyed at the prospect of this scumbucket getting away with this particular crime. Lol, my joy comes from seeing partisan hacking getting blown out. Anyway, I take it you now admit that your prediction looks like it turned out to be incorrect? Or are you still confident that Christie will resign over Bridgegate? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1287 "2017-09-22T11:52:07Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Lol, nice try at changing the subject. The fact is that I have stated repeatedly that I believe Christie was complicit in Bridgegate. > > Whether he is culpable and whether he will resign over the scandal are two different questions. Because wishes are not reality. > > Lol, my joy comes from seeing partisan hacking getting blown out. > > Anyway, I take it you now admit that your prediction looks like it turned out to be incorrect? > > Or are you still confident that Christie will resign over Bridgegate? He is a bit more than a month away from having a Democrat elected to replace him and but a few months away from seeing his successor sworn in. Just grease his hips a little and push him through the door and this inflamed boil on the buttocks of America can just drain away. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1288 "2017-09-22T12:17:41Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > He is a bit more than a month away from having a Democrat elected to replace him and but a few months away from seeing his successor sworn in. Just grease his hips a little and push him through the door and this inflamed boil on the buttocks of America can just drain away. When you predicted he would resign, you were wrong. Do you disagree? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1289 "2017-09-22T12:24:14Z")
When a tree falls in the woods, does it matter if it was felled by a beaver or the wind? Christie is leaving, let us celebrate that! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1290 "2017-09-22T13:15:48Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > When a tree falls in the woods, does it matter if it was felled by a beaver or the wind? Yes. We can’t do much about the wind, but traps can be used to relocate meddlesome beavers to avoid more tree damage. > [@](#): > > Christie is leaving, let us celebrate that! First let’s point out the obvious: (1) Christie did not resign (2) You confidently predicted he would resign (3) Your confident prediction was wrong (4) As usual ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1291 "2017-09-22T13:35:43Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > When a tree falls in the woods, does it matter if it was felled by a beaver or the wind? Christie is leaving, let us celebrate that! Bob, this is an easy one, just admit you happened to be wrong and this thread can die again like it should. Its no big deal. I am wrong too often to think about. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1292 "2017-09-22T13:49:51Z")
From Merriam Webster: > [@](#): > > RESIGN: to give up deliberately; especially :to renounce (something, such as a right or position) by a formal act The inauguration of Christie’s Democratic successor is a formal act at which time Christie will resign as governor. He will resign, albeit with less shame and disgrace than deserved. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1293 "2017-09-22T14:10:25Z")
Jesus, **Bob** - let it go. You were wrong. That the outcome - the likely end of Christie’s political career and credibility - isn’t significantly different is some comfort, but he didn’t resign and he wasn’t indicted. Unlike the traffic on the bridge, you can move on. I suggest you do so. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1294 "2017-09-22T14:15:00Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > From Merriam Webster: > > The inauguration of Christie’s Democratic successor is a formal act at which time Christie will resign as governor. He will resign, albeit with less shame and disgrace than deserved. You have just reached Republican-levels of twisting definitions. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1295 "2017-09-22T14:19:16Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > From Merriam Webster: > > The inauguration of Christie’s Democratic successor is a formal act at which time Christie will resign as governor. He will resign, albeit with less shame and disgrace than deserved. Jeez, seriously? I hope you’re joking at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1296 "2017-09-22T19:41:32Z")
You can even admit error with a Back handed insult. “I admit I was mistaken in that I underestimated the utter lack of shame that Christie was capable of.” ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2017, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1297 "2017-09-22T20:17:13Z")
This is just embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1298 "2017-09-25T08:53:27Z")
By the way, New Jersey has term limits for its governors. So this is not even a case of the governor realizing that he has no chance of re-election and deciding to step aside. Chris Christie will be legally ineligible to be governor since he has already served two consecutive terms. But I suppose it’s remotely possible that he will resign between now and the time his term ends in 2018. So **BobLibDem** has a glimmer of hope. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1299 "2017-09-25T10:55:58Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Jeez, seriously? I hope you’re joking at this point. Hey, I’m just honing my pedantry skills. Got a lot of work to do to catch up with some people here. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2017, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351/1300 "2017-09-25T10:59:33Z")
There was, perhaps, hope that he would be forced out as a result of some formal investigation into his doings. But in retrospect, there was never any hope that he would resign out of shame, because, as we now know, the man has no shame. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-christie-or-his-staff-intentionally-cause-the-fort-lee-traffic-jam/678351.md?page=66)