# Did Dean say "I hate the Republicans..."? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 17, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579 "2005-02-17T18:34:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/1 "2005-02-17T18:34:15Z")
According to several conservative pundits, among them [Jeff Jacoby in the Boston Globe:](http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/02/03/dean_for_dnc_chairman_yeeaarrgghh/) > [@](#): > > Speaking to a DNC forum in New York over the weekend, Dean indulged once again in some of the undisguised loathing of the GOP that was such a hallmark of Democratic Party activism last year. “I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for,” he told the audience, “but I admire their discipline and their organization.” The question is: Did Dean actually say this? There don’t appear to be any original news sources, so I’m wondering if anyone here knows where this came from or if there is a way to get a copy of the text of Dean’s actual speech. I believe the date of the speech is Jan 30, 2005. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/2 "2005-02-17T19:17:27Z")
A quick Googling shows nothing outside of editorial pages, and mainly of the expected type. [Bloomberg’s Andrew Ferguson](http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&refer=columnist_ferguson&sid=aBHC.u.2ZfGE) offers some more detail, perhaps spurious: > [@](#): > > At the DNC’s Eastern Regional meeting in New York on Jan. 29, Dean appeared with other candidates for the DNC chair. There were more bromides, but also this If it wasn’t taped, you’ll never have the actual text, of course - but then how did all these bloviators get it? ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/3 "2005-02-17T19:18:24Z")
I havn’t seen the text of the speech on line, but, in addition to seeing the quote referenced on a bazillion blogs (not all of them right-leaning… it’s on the Daily Kos), a Google search turned up references to the quote on, among other sites, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the San Franciscan Chronicle, the Philladelpia Inquirer, the New York Daily News, U.S. News & World report, etc. A whole bunch of Democrats are out scraping the HATE IS NOT A FAMILY VALUE stickers off of their bumpers… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/4 "2005-02-17T19:33:56Z")
All on editorial pages, however, many of them copies of the same syndicated columnists. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/5 "2005-02-17T19:36:21Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > I havn’t seen the text of the speech on line, but, in addition to seeing the quote referenced on a bazillion blogs (not all of them right-leaning… it’s on the Daily Kos), a Google search turned up references to the quote on, among other sites, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the San Franciscan Chronicle, the Philladelpia Inquirer, the New York Daily News, U.S. News & World report, etc. None of which answers the OP’s question. Especially if it’s being quoted only in editorial pages. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/6 "2005-02-17T19:40:17Z")
But I suspect all those papers/web sites are publishing the same articles by Jocoby, Will, etc. It will be interesting to see if the left-leaning blogs or editorialists will debunk this. Seems awfully inflamitory to just leave it hanging out there unrefuted. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/7 "2005-02-17T20:25:17Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > But I suspect all those papers/web sites are publishing the same articles by Jocoby, Will, etc. It will be interesting to see if the left-leaning blogs or editorialists will debunk this. Seems awfully inflamitory to just leave it hanging out there unrefuted. If they _dont’_ debunk it within a week or so, then I’d take that as powerful circumstantial evidence that Dean really did say that, or something similar. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/8 "2005-02-17T21:21:37Z")
[At least one supporter is trying to debunk it.](http://dean2004.blogspot.com/2005/02/dean-hates-republicans.html) ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/9 "2005-02-17T21:59:09Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > All on editorial pages, however, many of them copies of the same syndicated columnists. That is factually incorrect. The [Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/01-30-2005/news/wn_report/story/276020p-236422c.html) and the [Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47526-2005Jan29.html) (see second page of the article) independently (i.e., separate writers) reported the remark on their respective news pages on the day following the remarks. ---
**Author:** ![voguevixen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5ac83/32.png) [@voguevixen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voguevixen)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/10 "2005-02-18T01:35:56Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Seems awfully inflamitory to just leave it hanging out there unrefuted. 😕 Is this a bad thing to say? Wouldn’t a Democrat be expected to oppose the Republicans and what they stand for? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/11 "2005-02-18T01:45:31Z")
I think some Republicans are just miffed at Dean for speaking the truth. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a5b964/32.png) [@Bill\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_H)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/12 "2005-02-18T01:46:04Z")
George Stephanopoulis quoted him as saying it (or more precisely acknowledged and expanded when George Will quoted him as saying it) on last Sunday’s This Week show. Mr. Stephanopolous is certainly left of center. And of course it’s a bad thing to say. Although far from unexpected from Mr. Dean. ---
**Author:** ![harry\_sgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@harry\_sgame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/harry_sgame)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/13 "2005-02-19T09:47:55Z")
I thought that this had been debunked long ago. What he REALLY said was “I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for: YEEHAW!” Hope this helps! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/14 "2005-02-19T15:50:56Z")
Something WRONG with hating Republicans and everything they stand for? The bigotry, the racism, the hatred of the poor, the warmongering, the stupidity, the wilfull harm to the environment … hell, it’s hard NOT to hate them. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/15 "2005-02-19T16:07:33Z")
> [@voguevixen](#): > > Wouldn’t a Democrat be expected to oppose the Republicans and what they stand for? He would, though there are perhaps limits on how such opposition should be expressed. From Jacoby’s editorial: > [@](#): > > _I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for._ Not “I oppose the Republicans and everything they stand for.” Not “I’m determined to beat the Republicans.” Not “I reject the Republican message.” No – Dean wants it understood that he hates the Republicans and all their works. That is the banner under which he is marching as a candidate to lead his party. ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/16 "2005-02-19T17:33:59Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > Something WRONG with hating Republicans and everything they stand for? The bigotry, the racism, the hatred of the poor, the warmongering, the stupidity, the wilfull harm to the environment … hell, it’s hard NOT to hate them. This thread is for discussing whether Governor Dean said what he is claimed to have said, not whether he was right to say it. This is not the forum or the thread for your litany of complaints about any political party. If you value your posting privileges, you will not do that again. bibliophage moderator GQ ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/17 "2005-02-19T19:41:52Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > I think some Republicans are just miffed at Dean for speaking the truth. 😉 What, that he is a hate-filled little twerp? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/18 "2005-02-19T19:52:41Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > What, that he is a hate-filled little twerp? :dubious: Yes 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/19 "2005-02-19T21:38:05Z")
> [@bibliophage](#): > > This thread is for discussing whether Governor Dean said what he is claimed to have said, not whether he was right to say it. This is not the forum or the thread for your litany of complaints about any political party. If you value your posting privileges, you will not do that again. > > bibliophage > moderator GQ Alrighty, then, I will not do that again. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-dean-say-i-hate-the-republicans/290579/20 "2005-02-20T00:43:20Z")
Since the OP has been possibly answered as factually as it can be, AND since the two sides of the aisle can’t seem to remember which forum they’re in, this one is closed. If anyone has a further FACTUAL link/cite, and thinks it will help answer the OP, email me. **samclem** GQ moderator