# Did half the town Rape this girl? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 9, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070 "2011-03-09T18:26:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/241 "2011-03-13T06:35:29Z")
**Twickster** , I’ll take the warning on board but my comment to **margin** was in response to her post here: > [@margin](#): > > … and no one who’s not vile could blame victims the way you do. IMHO, I would suggest calling someone ‘vile’ is a lot more insulting than merely calling them stupid. But again, note taken and I will refrain from calling her a moron in future. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/242 "2011-03-13T14:11:03Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Are you always this monumentally thick? Do you have an intellectual disability? Is there something in your make-up that prevents you from understanding simple arguments presented in a simple way? I’m finding it hard to believe you really are this stupid, but anyway, it seems that this thread has become pretty pointless since your arrival **margin**. > [This thread has been stupided by the STUPIDIST] Yeah, you’re blaming somebody who’s pointing out the idiocy of blaming victims while shielding or ignoring attackers. And you were saying? I can hardly wait till somebody starts whining about false rape accusations. We’ve had victim blaming from the first page, but go ahead, ignore that. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/243 "2011-03-13T14:15:11Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Absolutely—What a tragedy it would be if more children were raised in a stable, loving home with both a mother and a father acting as role models, providing guidance and care. > > The horror… I guess no girls in nice, stable, two parent families are ever horrifically raped. And how does a divorce get an erection and rape an eleven-year-old? Seeing as how her parents’ marital status apparently did more to ‘contribute’ to this rape than did the actual rapists, not to mention the people who are twisting themselves in knots to blame this little girl while acting like ‘getting raped’ is some sort of weather phenomenon, like rain, that one ‘avoids.’ Guess what? When you ignore rapists, when you refuse to blame rapists and blame the victim, you’re helping them. The way some people in this thread absolutely refuse to admit that the girl did nothing wrong, that maybe bystanders and bros could stop rapists, that maybe rapists are the ones to blame for rape-----! ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/244 "2011-03-13T14:19:51Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > _Most_ of the discussion is rational and looking to provide possible solutions to what was an horrendous crime against the very humanity of the little girl involved. > > Unfortunately the minority are behaving like shrieking harpies, picking individual posted _words_ to rail against, not engaging in _any_ legitimate discourse, and making themselves look like fools and/or trolls. > > Meh, just another day on the SDMB I guess. 😃 Cite? And using sexist dogwhistles like ‘shrieking harpies’ sure is revealing. God, those damned women, getting upset at a bunch of guys blaming an _eleven-year-old_ for getting herself raped. What a bunch of unreasonable bitches! Just a bunch of guys ignoring rapists, being sexist, blaming the victim, calling women sexist names, and then whining about how _everybody else_ is intellectually inferior to them and their tired, long-since-discredited, uninformed, frat boy viewpoint of rape. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/245 "2011-03-13T15:41:10Z")
[QUOTE=margin] how does a divorce get an erection and rape an eleven-year-old? [/QUOTE] Asked the freshest of the 500+ bumper stickers festooning a tatterdemalion hatchback… ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/246 "2011-03-13T17:02:49Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Asked the freshest of the 500+ bumper stickers festooning a tatterdemalion hatchback… Because watching a bunch of men talk about how an elven-year-old rape victim asked for it, and didn’t prevent it, is the province of some bleeding heart hippie, huh? So I guess you think she asked for it, too? I mean, let’s get rid of the pretense. She’s been called a ho by at least one poster here. A lot of people here think she’s to blame and they don’t want to talk about how she was _eleven_ and the only person to blame for a rape is the rapist. They don’t want to talk about the rapists at all. And getting angry at this means you’re a shrieking harpie, to quote one poster, or a moron, to quote another. And you? You get snotty about people pointing out that an eleven year old kid is not to blame for what adults do. Nice side you picked. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/247 "2011-03-13T17:15:49Z")
In a thread this polarizing and unproductive, it’s easy to forget that every subject need not be a complete either-or. We can condemn rapists AND negligent parenting AND strive to teach children to be careful, for example. And we can all agree this story is a tragedy and a crime for which the guilty should be severely punished, AND you can be a shrieking harpy. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/248 "2011-03-13T17:18:57Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > That’s why you TEACH THEM WHAT TO DO. It’s the same idea as conditioning soldiers to not hesitate to shoot a human target, or hell, giving kids timed math quizzes so they’re calmer and able to think clearer under test pressure\*. Or any number of “just say no” drug PSAs. If you drive the point in early and hard then it increases the chances of them making the rational choice under pressure. That’s not to say she doesn’t have a right to be emotional or act irrationally at ALL, it’s just that if you teach them properly they should find it easier to act rationally, even at a young age. And no, it’s still not a perfect system, but I’m trying to work for a maximum of good situations given the current state of affairs in the world, not make everything perfect. > > - No, not the same level of severity at all. Just a similar principle. No you don’t teach an 11 year old to “make the rational choice in a situation.” Not hesitating when shooting, or just say no PSAs are the antithesis of “making the rational choice.” They are firm rules, without consideration for the situation. You teach an 11 year old not to go into a car without her parents’ knowledge. My objection was to your use of the term “rational choice” which is singularly inappropriate. You give simple strict rules. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/249 "2011-03-13T17:28:09Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Because watching a bunch of men talk about how an elven-year-old rape victim asked for it, and didn’t prevent it, is the province of some bleeding heart hippie, huh? **Vinyl Turnip** was making a joke. Possibly, you know, to diffuse the tension. Though I can’t imagine why he thought there might be tension in a thread about rape on the SDMB. Clearly we had all just about reached our ‘‘kumbayah’’ moment. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/250 "2011-03-13T17:53:27Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > In a thread this polarizing and unproductive, it’s easy to forget that every subject need not be a complete either-or. We can condemn rapists AND negligent parenting AND strive to teach children to be careful, for example. And we can all agree this story is a tragedy and a crime for which the guilty should be severely punished, AND you can be a shrieking harpy. What you’re exerting a great deal of effort to avoid is that this is not some property crime, it’s the rape of an elven-year-old child. And ‘shrieking harpy’ is sexist. I do SO love it when some people act as if watching a bunch of men attack an eleven-year-old is no big deal, but critisizing them for it makes one a ‘shrieking harpy’. Yes, dear, it’s an over reaction to find it disgusting the way the men here are attacking this girl. Really. Doesn’t say anything about you at all. When it comes to rape, in fact, there is no other side. There’s only the fact that rapists cause rape, not the things that victims do or don’t do, and the men of the SDMB really, for some reason, want to avoid confronting the notion that rape is the rapist’s fault, and no one else’s. You can’t agree to disagree on that. Rape is the rapist’s fault. It’s just that it’s especially obscene watching people----a substantial number of whom are men----attacking the child who was raped, while brushing off any and all discussion about the actual rapists. And then they act like _they’re_ the reasonable ones. ---
**Author:** ![stw004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@stw004](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stw004)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/251 "2011-03-13T20:02:13Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Having a pedophile try to drag you into a car at the age of 8 and having to convince a police officer that no that man was not your father certainly is. Having a teacher threaten to flunk you if he didn’t get a blow job at the age of 11 certainly is. I definitely know I had seen more of the rough side of the world at 11 than a child growing up in Cleveland, Texas. I’ve been to Cleveland. It’s rural and isolated and suffers from all the evils of small towns, but it’s hardly as dangerous as many places. You know nothing of Cleveland, Texas. Since you’ve been there I guess noticed the large Interstate Highway running through the middle of the town, or the fact that it’s only half an hour from the 4th largest city in th US. Or I guess you noticed raging crack cocaine problems that infest the community, or maybe you noticed the proximity to all the state prison units, whose parolees are prohibited from leaving the county of their release. Sure, there are places in this world more dangerous than Cleveland, but it’s incredibly self absorbed for you to assume you’ve seen more of the rough side of the world then a child there. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/252 "2011-03-13T21:19:28Z")
> [@margin](#): > > What you’re exerting a great deal of effort to avoid is that this is not some property crime, it’s the rape of an elven-year-old child. > > And ‘shrieking harpy’ is sexist. > > I do SO love it when some people act as if watching a bunch of men attack an eleven-year-old is no big deal, but critisizing them for it makes one a ‘shrieking harpy’. Yes, dear, it’s an over reaction to find it disgusting the way the men here are attacking this girl. Really. > > Doesn’t say anything about you at all. > > When it comes to rape, in fact, there is no other side. There’s only the fact that rapists cause rape, not the things that victims do or don’t do, and the men of the SDMB really, for some reason, want to avoid confronting the notion that rape is the rapist’s fault, and no one else’s. You can’t agree to disagree on that. Rape is the rapist’s fault. > > It’s just that it’s especially obscene watching people----a substantial number of whom are men----attacking the child who was raped, while brushing off any and all discussion about the actual rapists. And then they act like _they’re_ the reasonable ones. _Nobody_ has said this is not a big deal, in fact the opposite that this is a VERY big deal. _Nobody_ has said that the little girl’s behaviour caused or mitigates the culpability of the men involved. _Nobody_ is attacking the child who was raped. You are wilfully misrepresenting what people are actually saying in this thread. Cut it out. Oh, and FTR, I’m a woman, and I know plenty of male shrieking harpies too. Idiocy on this scale knows no gender boundaries it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/253 "2011-03-13T22:25:38Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > **Vinyl Turnip** was making a joke. Possibly, you know, to diffuse the tension. Though I can’t imagine why he thought there might be tension in a thread about rape on the SDMB. Clearly we had all just about reached our ‘‘kumbayah’’ moment. On one of the previous contentious rape thread somebody, might have been **Clocky** , suggested as a joke that we have a rape forum, since we have so many threads about it. It’d be cuddly, like MPSIMS. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/254 "2011-03-13T22:33:05Z")
It’s nice that folks abandoned the Texas bashing early on. I would have had to come in here and defend the whole state. So thanks for that. As far as I give a shit, we should pour kerosene all over the place between Houston and, say, Arkansas. Then start throwing lit matches. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/255 "2011-03-14T00:20:48Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > On one of the previous contentious rape thread somebody, might have been **Clocky** , suggested as a joke that we have a rape forum, since we have so many threads about it. It’d be cuddly, like MPSIMS. 😉 Woah, I’d hate to see _that_ set of smileys. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/256 "2011-03-14T01:20:01Z")
> [@stw004](#): > > You know nothing of Cleveland, Texas. Since you’ve been there I guess noticed the large Interstate Highway running through the middle of the town, or the fact that it’s only half an hour from the 4th largest city in th US. Or I guess you noticed raging crack cocaine problems that infest the community, or maybe you noticed the proximity to all the state prison units, whose parolees are prohibited from leaving the county of their release. Sure, there are places in this world more dangerous than Cleveland, but it’s incredibly self absorbed for you to assume you’ve seen more of the rough side of the world then a child there. And I am living in that 4th largest city in the US. There are drug houses in my neighborhood. The junkies in my neighborhood are one reason I have a CHL and keep a 20-gauge in my shop. I have lived in some of Chicago, Nasheville, and Atlanta’s worst sections. And I have lived in a country with a raging civil war going on where the rapists are armed packs with AK-47s. Cleveland is relatively safe place. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/257 "2011-03-14T04:16:58Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > _Nobody_ has said this is not a big deal, in fact the opposite that this is a VERY big deal. > > _Nobody_ has said that the little girl’s behaviour caused or mitigates the culpability of the men involved. > > _Nobody_ is attacking the child who was raped. > > You are wilfully misrepresenting what people are actually saying in this thread. > > Cut it out. > > Oh, and FTR, I’m a woman, and I know plenty of male shrieking harpies too. Idiocy on this scale knows no gender boundaries it seems. So, if a guy says “Welfare Queen” he’s not racist in your book, huh? Because he didn’t use some nuclear racist option, he’s not racist? Here’s a clue: Ann Coulter’s a woman, too. You want a cookie? If a guy doesn’t lynch a black person or use the ‘n’ word there are some morons who think that that’s not racist. Likewise, there are also idiots who think that if some asshole on a discussion about rape doesn’t say, “I hereby declare and affirm that this victim asked for, provoked, and totally deserved to be raped,” that they’re not blaming the victim. I could name a whole list of women who are absolute shits to other women, who think they’re special sparkly snowflakes because the guys think they’re cool. Your attitude speaks for itself. You’re on the side of guys who are blaming the victim. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/258 "2011-03-14T04:22:03Z")
> [@margin](#): > > You want a cookie? What kind of cookie? An oreo? A black and white cookie? A Chinese fortune cookie? A Mexican wedding cookie? A Jesus-Killing, hook nosed Jew cookie? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/259 "2011-03-14T04:48:00Z")
> [@margin](#): > > You’re on the side of guys who are blaming the victim. What guys? > [@](#): > > A Jesus-Killing, hook nosed Jew cookie? Does it come in Bacon Flavour? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070/260 "2011-03-14T05:36:21Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > What kind of cookie? > > An oreo? > > A black and white cookie? > > A Chinese fortune cookie? > > A Mexican wedding cookie? > > A Jesus-Killing, hook nosed Jew cookie? Are we all out of Death Cookies again? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-half-the-town-rape-this-girl/574070.md?page=14)