# Did Hilary make a serious tactical mistake? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 12, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hilary-make-a-serious-tactical-mistake/742933 "2016-01-12T15:58:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hilary-make-a-serious-tactical-mistake/742933/41 "2016-01-13T15:45:37Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Yes it would. Immigration reform did not allow tens of thousands of people to just cross the border and be allowed to stay. Again, not what I talked about. > [@adaher](#): > > But if you want to portray Democrats’ immigration reform as pretty much open borders, I won’t stop you. Spread that message far and wide. Spreading straw men is not effective too; again, this is not open borders, nor it is amnesty. The sources you have are just going for the big lie. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hilary-make-a-serious-tactical-mistake/742933/42 "2016-01-13T16:04:07Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Perhaps because outsourcing is an order of magnitude more important than immigrant labor and border security? Newsflash: There aren’t Americans lining up to pick tomatoes or clean hotels. You can either allow some migrant labor or pay 5 bucks for a tomato. I was led to believe every worker should be paid a “living wage” and that price increases would be minuscule. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hilary-make-a-serious-tactical-mistake/742933/43 "2016-01-13T16:23:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I was led to believe every worker should be paid a “living wage” and that price increases would be minuscule. Republicans are mostly against raising wages, that should tell you who are the ones using fear to avoid answering for that. Immigrants are being used as an escape goat. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hilary-make-a-serious-tactical-mistake/742933/44 "2016-01-13T16:25:59Z")
Hardly. When you import cheap labor and demand for cheap labor isn’t increasing, that means no jobs for native low skill workers. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hilary-make-a-serious-tactical-mistake/742933/45 "2016-01-13T17:23:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Hardly. When you import cheap labor and demand for cheap labor isn’t increasing, that means no jobs for native low skill workers. Hardly against rising wages or livable ones? > **[Republican Candidates On Raising The Minimum Wage | OurFuture.org by People's...](https://ourfuture.org/20150724/republican-candidates-on-raising-the-minimum-wage)** > > We rounded up of the opinions of the Republican presidential candidates on the minimum wage. A few see the light, but most of them oppose supporting American workers with a wage increase. > [@](#): > > Sixty-three percent of Americans support a minimum wage increase to $15 by 2020, and 75 percent of Americans support raising the federal minimum wage to at least $12.50. Yet the federal minimum wage has not been raised since 2009, when it was increased to its current level of $7.25 per hour. > > We rounded up of the opinions of the Republican presidential candidates on the minimum wage. A few see the light, but most of them oppose supporting our American workers with a wage increase. A few even advocate getting rid of it altogether. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hilary-make-a-serious-tactical-mistake/742933.md?page=2)