# Did Hillary's camp focus too much on her potentially being the first female president? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 8, 2017, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796 "2017-09-08T09:42:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796/221 "2017-09-19T13:56:10Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Also, she clearly only stayed with Bill after doing the political calculations to show that staying married played better in Peoria. It’s unthinkable that she might actually still \*\*love \*\* the big two-timing jerk (well, a lot more than two, to be fair). So you thin there was no political calculation involved when she decided to stay with Bill and de-legitimize the claims of the women who accused bill of sexual assault? Why is it that women’s groups almost assume the guilt of the accused in every sexual assault except when the accused in Bill Clinton? I don’t mean that in an accusatory way but it has been remarked upon in the past and I never got a good answer. ISTM that anyone accusing a powerful man (Republican or Democrat) of sexual harassment is usually believed by women’s groups, except when the accused is Bill. Why is that? > [@](#): > > Presumably she only had a child because it focus-grouped well. I am sure she loves Bill. I think that she loves her daughter. That doesn’t make her a good person, or a good politician. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796/222 "2017-09-19T14:38:50Z")
We \*get \*that you simply hate her. You _don’t_ need multiple consecutive posts exploring and repeating any possible rationalizations you can come up with to justify it. You’d do much better to recognize and apply consistent fact-based standards. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796/223 "2017-09-19T14:42:17Z")
Collin Powell, who I suspect is not a random trash talking asshole, said it best in that leaked email. “Hillary Clinton screws up everything she touches with her hubris” Or something along those lines. How right he is/was/ ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796/224 "2017-09-19T20:46:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You would have a point if that were the only example of her horrible behavior. So you have some examples of “her horrible behavior”? What are they? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796/225 "2017-09-20T12:12:12Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Funny how he marches with MLK, and he’s a racist? > > I’m not saying that Hillary was a racist at all, but she was the “Goldwater girl”, and used the term “Super Predators”… so Hillary supporters shouldn’t throw stones. She _was_ a Goldwater girl. Reagan _was_ a Democrat…who turned out to be the iconic Republican. What’s your point? And again, the super predators comment was not in any way racist. Many members of the congressional black caucus (in fact most, IIRC) supported Clinton’s crime bill. Bernie Sanders did something even Hillary Clinton didn’t do by _voting_ for the crime bill. I don’t have a problem with people critiquing Hillary - there’s a lot to critique. But criticisms ought to be valid and accurate, not just Bernie Bro regurgitation. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796/226 "2017-09-20T12:14:28Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I’d just like to ask, did any of you attend either a Hillary or Bernie rally? > > Did any of your local parades have floats for Bernie or Hillary? > > What bumper stickers were you seeing? > > As for rallies a friend went to one which was PACKED with lines down the block while I read Hillaries had to use celebrities to bring in people and/or used camera tricks to pretend their was an excited crowd. > > Some interesting videos: > > Video of [crowd chanting “Bernie” over Hillary.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpce0faSaFA) > > Video of [Bernie shutting down Hillary in debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jAtJ5HykM) Ironically, no. I did end up attending a Trump rally (well, outside of the auditorium as it was full by the time I got there), as a curious bystander. \ It was near my apartment, okay?!!! I couldn’t not check it out. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796/227 "2017-09-20T13:24:49Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I almost never agree with urbanrenec and I don’t agree with that post either but I don’t see him blaming Hillary for Bill’s infidelity. Can you explain how that post is blaming Hillary for Bill’s infidelity? If he’s not blaming Hillary for the infidelity she “let” happen, why would it affect Hillary’s moral standing? > [@](#): > > I was responding to a post that said in part: > > "the intern in question was the one that initiated that particular sexual encounter (which involved no “banging” except of the finger (and cigar) variety), " > > So I said: > > “you don’t get to blame a 22 year old woman for the infidelities of a 50 year old man. That’s kind of bullshit isn’t it?” > > Merneith responded: > > "You can certainly blame the 22 year old for her own active participation in a destructive and deceitful event. It’s not like she was just going about her day, minding her own business, when suddenly Bill’s dick fell in her mouth. " > > Blaming Monica for letting the most powerful man in the free world’s dick fall into her mouth seems like slutshaming. Blaming her for the consequences of her actions isn’t “slutshaming”; it’s “accountability”. Handwaving away her responsibility in the affair as you did is ridiculous. You will note that I already said I consider Bill even more responsible for what happened - am I slutshaming him too? And the issue here isn’t that she had sex but who she had sex with and in what context. > [@](#): > > If the same thing had happened with Trump, people would be lining up to support all the poor women who were sexually harassed by him and would be much less critical of any young 22 year old woman that let his dick fall into their mouth. Ah, the “If my hypothetical were true, you’d be a hypocrite!” argument. Always a winner. And I note you are **continuing** to deliberately blur the lines between a consensual sexual encounter and sexual assault in order to support a false equivalence. Presumably there have been many women (other than his wives) over the years who have had consensual sex with Donald Trump. No one is complaining about them (well, maybe about their taste in men). The married woman he pinned up against a wall and groped against her will? You’re damn right we condemn that. > [@](#): > > Are sluts usually assumed to be unwilling or incapable of making decisions? That would be closer to rape or sexual assault, wouldn’t it? It is exactly that willingness that people point to when they label women sluts. As you’re the only one calling Monica a “slut” here, I’m not sure what the point is of this is other than to build a strawman. > [@](#): > > Monica started with an unpaid internship. Do you know how you get a internship in the white house? The most common avenue is having family members that make a assload of political donations. She got a paid gig after she started having sexual relations with Bill. Are you insinuating a \*quid pro quo \*here? And if so, have you got anything to back it up? > [@](#): > > What makes you say she initiated the relationship, not that I don’t believe you or that it matters but I had not heard this? I said she initiated the sex, and I said so because Monica has openly said it on multiple occasions. This is not to say that Clinton was the unwilling victim of her feminine wiles - she described it as “a mutual relationship, mutual on all levels, right from the way it started and all the way through”. > [@](#): > > I don’t know how you separate the sex from the infidelity. It’s pretty easy. I did it above. > [@](#): > > There is a long history of the “other woman” getting treated like a leper for life while the husband recovers their status after a period of contrition. And that’s relevant to your argument, how…? > [@](#): > > And Hillary was critical of all he women who accused Bill of sexual harassment because she was trying to protect her political capital and she didn’t give a shit about those women so according to Madeleine Albright, there is probably a special place in hell for her. …and we’re back to your virulent hatred for Hillary. You really just can’t help yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796/228 "2017-09-21T13:19:52Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > We \*get \*that you simply hate her. You _don’t_ need multiple consecutive posts exploring and repeating any possible rationalizations you can come up with to justify it. You’d do much better to recognize and apply consistent fact-based standards. Its taking longer than we thought. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796/229 "2017-09-21T14:59:22Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Collin Powell, who I suspect is not a random trash talking asshole, said it best in that leaked email. > > “Hillary Clinton screws up everything she touches with her hubris” > > Or something along those lines. > > How right he is/was/ That is an excellent way to describe it. She has an attitude of entitlement yet she is very unaccomplished. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > So you have some examples of “her horrible behavior”? What are they? Adding to the hubris, she is a very dishonest person. This has been seen in many ways. She presents herself as an accomplished person, going back to Arkansas touting an education program that was actually a total failure, claiming that the easy money she made in sweetheart deals was just ordinary investing based on reading the Wall St. Journal, participating in the smearing of the women who accused her husband of sexual misconduct, the Travelgate affair where she was clearly dishonest about her participation, even if her statements did not rise to the level of a crime, she throws the blame on her mistakes on others as in the case of the Iran war vote where she blames Bush Jr. for lying to her. And the big one recently about the email destruction, she was obviously covering up something, even if it was nothing important, but we have no idea what it was. She lawyers up in any controversial situation, she is not a forthcoming person, and she has switched sides on political issues many times. She may not be the kind of bald faced liar that Trump is, but she’s not an honest trustworthy person either, it’s not a single incident problem, it’s a pattern in her life of dissembling and cover-up. Certainly all politicians do this kind of thing, but she has done it repeatedly without seeming to have learned from her past mistakes, and by no means could she be considered a virtuous person. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796/230 "2017-09-21T15:14:30Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Its taking longer than we thought. Are you interested in learning how multiquote works? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hillarys-camp-focus-too-much-on-her-potentially-being-the-first-female-president/795796.md?page=11)