# Did HRC Back Up Her Charges (Regarding Trump)?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [December 24, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304 "2015-12-24T23:23:33Z")
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### Author:  [@botsgotme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/botsgotme)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/1 "2015-12-24T23:23:33Z")
Hillary said (on TV) that ISIS was using video clips of Donald Trump’s remarks (about muslims) as a recruiting tool. Trump has said that these charges are untrue-has HRC supplied any evidence to prove her claim?
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2015, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/2 "2015-12-24T23:24:56Z")
No
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### Author:  [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/3 "2015-12-24T23:28:12Z")
> **[Why Donald Trump's Muslim Bashing Is Only Helping ISIS](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/donald-trumps-muslim-bashing-aids-cause-terror-networks-say-experts-n476221)**
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> The Republican presidential candidate's calls to ban Muslims helps to attract recruits to terror networks, experts say.
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/4 "2015-12-24T23:34:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> [Donald Trump's Muslim Bashing Aids Cause of Terror Networks, Say Experts](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/donald-trumps-muslim-bashing-aids-cause-terror-networks-say-experts-n476221)
Where in that article does it say ISIS is using video clips of Donald Trump as a recruiting tool?
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### Author:  [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/5 "2015-12-25T00:54:36Z")
> [@TriPolar](#):
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> Where in that article does it say ISIS is using video clips of Donald Trump as a recruiting tool?
How about here:
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> The Republican presidential candidate’s controversial proposal for barring all Muslims from entering the United States is being used by the head-chopping fanatics and other terrorist groups like al Qaeda to attract recruits by painting the land of the free as opposed to Islam, experts told NBC News on Tuesday.
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/6 "2015-12-25T01:08:38Z")
> [@Superdude](#):
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> How about here:
I guess I’m going blind because I can’t see the words ‘video’ or ‘clip’ in there anywhere.
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### Author:  [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/7 "2015-12-25T01:16:37Z")
I think you’re being incredibly pedantic about that. It also doesn’t say that he had taken a hit off of a helium tank before speaking. Are we to assume he did because it’s not specifically mentioned?
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### Author:  [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/8 "2015-12-25T01:18:33Z")
Trump’s clips are all over the Internet. All it would take is an ISIS member showing one to a prospective recruit from a smartphone. That’s what Hillary was talking about.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/9 "2015-12-25T01:23:57Z")
> [@TriPolar](#):
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> I guess I’m going blind because I can’t see the words ‘video’ or ‘clip’ in there anywhere.
You’re correct. Isis propagandists have watched the videos, transcribed them, translated them into Arabic, and written them in beautiful calligraphy on papyrus scrolls that they have disseminated across Syria using a veritable army of trained budgies.
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/10 "2015-12-25T01:25:03Z")
> [@AtomicDog](#):
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> Trump’s clips are all over the Internet. All it would take is an ISIS member showing one to a prospective recruit from a smartphone. That’s what Hillary was talking about.
That’s not what she said. I don’t really care, but Trump is called a liar for every bit of hyperbole he vomits, why is Hillary not held to the same standard?
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### Author:  [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/11 "2015-12-25T01:30:35Z")
Trump is a recruiting tool, emphasis on…, well, you get the idea.
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/12 "2015-12-25T01:35:39Z")
> [@TriPolar](#):
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> That’s not what she said. I don’t really care, but Trump is called a liar for every bit of hyperbole he vomits, why is Hillary not held to the same standard?
Well, I thought until recently that there was no video and Hillary confused text propaganda with video, but it seems that Hillary was not completely off base according to NBC. Still what Trump has said and claimed is way beyond the pale:
> **[Trump Tweets A Wildly Inaccurate Graphic To Portray Black People As Murderers](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-inaccurate-tweet_n_56524c0de4b0879a5b0b6c10)**
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> It falsely claimed that 81 percent of murders involving white people were committed by black people, when only 14 percent were in 2014.
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> Donald Trump Tweets A Wildly Inaccurate Graphic To Portray Black People As Murderers
> It falsely claimed that 81 percent of murders involving white people were committed by black people, when only 14 percent were in 2014.
> **[Donald Trump Spouts Dangerous Anti-Vaccine Nonsense. Ben Carson's Response Is...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2015/09/20/donald-trump-spouts-dangerous-anti-vaccine-nonsense-ben-carsons-response-is-worse/)**
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> Donald Trump claimed vaccines cause autism in the recent Republication Presidential debate. Ben Carson had a golden opportunity to refute Trump, and he completely failed. Instead, he repeated anti-vaccine misinformation that he should have known was...
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> Donald Trump Spouts Dangerous Anti-Vaccine Nonsense. Ben Carson’s Response Is Worse.
> **[Donald Trump On Climate Change: 'I Believe There’s Weather'](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-global-warming_n_5601d04fe4b08820d91aa753)**
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> "So I am not a believer, and I will, unless somebody can prove something to me, I believe there’s weather."
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> This is not the first time Trump has denied climate change; he has also attempted to use cold weather to disprove climate change in the past, and argued that global warming was “created by and for the Chinese”:
One should wonder where is he getting all that trash, and that makes it worse, for example Trump got that chart on black crime from neo nazi site.
So, as pointed many times before, Trump is an incompetent or an ignorant racist twit. Your choice.
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/13 "2015-12-25T01:43:21Z")
I think he is being deliberately racist in order to win an election. He says plenty of crap to be taken to task for, there’s no reason to make things up.
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/14 "2015-12-25T01:50:26Z")
As I pointed one should wonder what is a politician using for a source, and looking closely it is clear that as usual most media is not bothering to check with their targets to clarify:
> **[Media Fixate On Clinton "Video" Remark, Ignore That ISIS Does Reportedly...](https://www.mediamatters.org/donald-trump/media-fixate-clinton-video-remark-ignore-isis-does-reportedly-recruit-using-trumps)**
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> Hillary Clinton said during the December 19 Democratic presidential primary debate that ISIS is using Donald Trump's inflammatory anti-Muslim comments "to recruit more radical jihadists." Although experts say that ISIS and other terrorist groups are...
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> Clinton Campaign Clarified That She “Didn’t Have A Particular Video In Mind,” Was Referencing ISIS Social Media Activity. Clinton campaign manager John Podesta and spokeswoman Jennifer Pamieri expounded on the candidate’s statement on Sunday morning political talk shows the next day, explaining that Trump’s comments may not appear in public recruiting videos but are circulating on jihadists’ social media as a recruiting tool:
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> > Sunday morning also saw Clinton campaign manager John Podesta and spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri work to walk Clinton’s statement back. Appearing on ABC’s This Week, Palmieri said that Clinton “didn’t have a particular video in mind” but was instead referring to jihadists’ social-media activity, a line Podesta echoed on NBC’s Meet the Press, where he insisted that “if you look at what’s going on [on social media], they are definitely pointing at Mr. Trump.” The Clinton campaign has also highlighted comments from the SITE Intelligence Group’s Rita Katz, who told NBC News earlier this month that across ISIS’s social media, which SITE tracks, “They love [Trump] from the sense that he is supporting their rhetoric … They follow everything Donald Trump says. When he says, ‘No Muslims should be allowed in America,’ they tell people, ‘We told you America hates Muslims and here is proof.’” Katz then subsequently confirmed to the Washington Post that “ISIS didn’t feature Trump in a video, but ISIS supporters and recruiters have used Trump’s rhetoric to promote ISIS’ ideas and agenda.” [New York Magazine, 12/20/15]
So, it is not that Clinton pulled that out of thin air, and it is still clearer that Trump did pulled his ignorance out of his ass and from even worst places of the internet.
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### Author:  [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/15 "2015-12-25T02:44:23Z")
The sad fact is that extremists over here benefit from extremists over there. Is anybody surprised that the reverse should be true as well?
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/16 "2015-12-25T03:09:02Z")
> [@Superdude](#):
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> I think you’re being incredibly pedantic about that. It also doesn’t say that he had taken a hit off of a helium tank before speaking. Are we to assume he did because it’s not specifically mentioned?
All that article does is say some other people said the same thing as HRC. How about showing us the actual material they are talking about? Then we can decide for ourselves.
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### Author:  [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/17 "2015-12-25T03:17:00Z")
> [@TriPolar](#):
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> That’s not what she said. I don’t really care, but Trump is called a liar for every bit of hyperbole he vomits, why is Hillary not held to the same standard?
Do you honestly believe Hillary is not being called a liar by anyone? She is constantly called a liar, a murderer, untrustworthy, unethical.
Watch 30 minutes of FOX news you’ll see an instance in no time.
Trump might be called a liar more, that might be because he lies more.
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/18 "2015-12-25T03:17:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> All that article does is say some other people said the same thing as HRC. How about showing us the actual material they are talking about? Then we can decide for ourselves.
The accusation against Hillary, I thought, was that she made this up – if others said this, then at least it seems as though she didn’t make it up. Still may have been wrong, but that’s very different then inventing something out of whole cloth.
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/19 "2015-12-25T03:24:31Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#):
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> Watch 30 minutes of FOX news you’ll see an instance in no time.
No thank you. The mainstream media has addressed this and found Hillary lacking. There is no ISIS video with Donald Trump as she claimed or it would be all over the news. It’s not the media holding her to a different standard, it’s you.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/20 "2015-12-25T03:41:04Z")
Would it be surprising, then? If ISIS uses anything in finds to bolster their point that America hates Islam? Wouldn’t the opposite be more difficult to believe? Wouldn’t they be using whatever sound bites from prominent and/or powerful Americans the can find to emphasize that point?
Now, that would be something, wouldn’t doubt its already happened. I mean, ISIS propagandists trying to make it out like Obama is some kind of fanatical Christian crusader, at the same time as some tighty righty is on Fox Gnaws swearing he’s a Muslim…
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