# Did HRC Back Up Her Charges (Regarding Trump)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 24, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304 "2015-12-24T23:23:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/21 "2015-12-25T03:47:56Z")
I feel as though someone is trying to convince us starry-eyed Hillary worshippers that she is _not_ the embodiment of virtue and the incarnation of light. We know. But her vs. Trump, her. Her vs. Cruz, her. Her…well, need I go on? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/22 "2015-12-25T03:54:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I feel as though someone is trying to convince us starry-eyed Hillary worshippers that she is _not_ the embodiment of virtue and the incarnation of light. > > We know. But her vs. Trump, her. Her vs. Cruz, her. Her…well, need I go on? Yes, she is the lesser of the evils. That just makes the whole situation sadder. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/23 "2015-12-25T04:02:09Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > No thank you. The mainstream media has addressed this and found Hillary lacking. There is no ISIS video with Donald Trump as she claimed or it would be all over the news. It’s not the media holding her to a different standard, it’s you. Well, the standard that I think the media is taking on Clinton is to distort what she actually did say: > **[Dear Media: Hillary Clinton Did Not Claim Donald Trump is Being Used in ISIS...](https://thedailybantercom.wpcomstaging.com/2015/12/21/dear-media-hillary-clinton-did-not-claim-donald-trump-is-being-used-in-isis-recruiting-videos/)** > > In case you missed Saturday night’s well-hidden Democratic presidential debate, the one piece of news that seems to have come out of it is that former Secretary of State Hillary Clintonpulled… > [@](#): > > ``` > “He is becoming ISIS’s best recruiter. They are going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists.” > > ``` > > Wait, what? **She never actually said that ISIS was producing recruitment videos featuring Donald Trump?** Well, this is close enough, isn’t it? I suppose she could have meant that existing videos of Trump insulting Muslims (which definitely exist) are being shown to people, perhaps on Twitter or something, to encourage people to join ISIS. It’s not like there’s any evidence at all that this is happening, she’s still a liar. Right? > [@](#): > > Again, she didn’t make that claim. > > As far as the claim that she did make, I have never been a fan of this line of reasoning, that we shouldn’t do “x” activity because it will help to recruit terrorists. If someone is going to be persuaded into chopping off heads and burning people alive in cages because Donald Trump said something shitty, they were probably never destined for the Peace Corps. Besides, it’s not as if there’s some sort of ombudsman in the ISIS editorial department holding everything up until they back up their propaganda with hard facts. Trump is bad because he alienates Muslim allies. > > That would be a fair basis upon which to criticize Hillary’s remarks, and for rival Republican campaigns that are adept at lying, you could even make the case that it’s fair game for them to try and stretch Hillary’s comments into something she didn’t say, or at least that it’s to be expected. It’s an idiotic but true maxim in politics that if you’re explaining, you’re losing, so Hillary probably lost after the first paragraph I wrote here. > > However, it is unacceptable for journalists to flat-out lie about what Hillary said, then declare her a liar on that basis. They all owe her an apology, especially Politifact. What is really more sad is to find how many are falling for the spin the media gave to this. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/24 "2015-12-25T04:07:53Z")
Of course if we are talking about standards, why is it that those tweets from Trump and the fellow travellers he is choosing to kowtow to are not mentioned constantly and to demand that Trump apologize for them day in and day out? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/25 "2015-12-25T04:08:53Z")
The important thing here, **GIGO** , is that both sides do it. Its like diseases. Smallpox is a disease, so is tonsillitis, so they are fundamentally equivalent, they are both diseases. That one is “better” than the other is a matter of opinion. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/26 "2015-12-25T04:14:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The important thing here, **GIGO** , is that both sides do it. Its like diseases. Smallpox is a disease, so is tonsillitis, so they are fundamentally equivalent, they are both diseases. That one is “better” than the other is a matter of opinion. Well, yeah, and that tiny itsy bitsy item of who is closer to the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/27 "2015-12-25T08:04:14Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > No thank you. The mainstream media has addressed this and found Hillary lacking. **There is no ISIS video with Donald Trump as she claimed** or it would be all over the news. It’s not the media holding her to a different standard, it’s you. Did she claim that ISIS had produced a video with Donald Trump in it, as you seem to be asserting here? ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/28 "2015-12-25T08:35:52Z")
Well, if you don’t mind having IS material turning up in your search history, you can just look through the online issues of the IS- glossy magazine yourself. The magazine, called Dabiq, is easily and for free available online, for instance [thru this link](http://www.clarionproject.org/news/islamic-state-isis-isil-propaganda-magazine-dabiq). See for yourself if Trump quotes show up. If you want to read about the magazine first, Cracked has [a fun article](http://www.cracked.com/blog/isis-wants-us-to-invade-7-facts-revealed-by-their-magazine/) by a journalist who read every issue and has some interesting things to say about it. For instance, Dabiq is only too happy to post the angry speeches of American politicians for their readers to study. “In The Words Of The Enemy” is a regular feature in their magazine. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/29 "2015-12-25T13:15:39Z")
IS quoted Rick Santorium, here: [https://ansarukhilafah.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/in-the-words-of-the-enemy-2/](https://ansarukhilafah.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/in-the-words-of-the-enemy-2/) Not yet Trump, as far as Google shows me. But could they use a Trump quote in their magazine ? Yes, surely. HRC is right. Also, here’s an update. [ISIS propaganda targets politicians, not Trump's Muslim ban | Washington Examiner](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/islamic-state-propaganda-targets-politicians-not-trumps-muslim-ban/article/2578966) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/30 "2015-12-25T15:28:49Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Yes, she is the lesser of the evils. That just makes the whole situation sadder. Don’t cry, you’ll smear the ink on your ballot. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/31 "2015-12-25T15:38:35Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Don’t cry, you’ll smear the ink on your ballot. Smeared ink had no affect on the outcome in any of the other elections. I feel like the Crying Indian when I go to vote. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/32 "2015-12-25T15:40:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Did she claim that ISIS had produced a video with Donald Trump in it, as you seem to be asserting here? Here’s what she said: > [@HRC](#): > > _Clinton_: He is becoming ISIS’ best recruiter. They are going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists. So I want to explain why this is not in America’s interest to react with this kind of fear and respond to this sort of bigotry. [Factcheck.org](http://Factcheck.org) did a summary of the Democratic debate, and although they don’t give their usual rating, the blurb ends with “The article [[NBC article](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/donald-trumps-muslim-bashing-aids-cause-terror-networks-say-experts-n476221)], however, contained no evidence that it has happened or is happening now, and makes no mention of any video.” She, or her handlers, probably thought it was a pretty safe thing to say, even if there is no evidence of it. I’d rather she didn’t do shit like that, but if that’s the worst she does, then we’re lucky. And no, this does not mean she’s the same as Trump. Trump is the king of lies in this campaign, with Carson being the Crown Prince. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/33 "2015-12-25T16:00:06Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Smeared ink had no affect on the outcome in any of the other elections. I feel like the Crying Indian when I go to vote. Don’t you mean the [Crying Italian](http://priceonomics.com/the-true-story-of-the-crying-indian/)? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/34 "2015-12-25T20:07:10Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > \Crown Prince\ I think a better term is “clown prince.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2015, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/35 "2015-12-26T02:51:59Z")
But not “clone Prince”. Doesn’t work, not at all. Pity. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/36 "2015-12-26T02:57:32Z")
Do we really need cites that such videos exist? [Here’s one.](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/260727-trump-wont-rule-out-database-special-id-for-muslims) Did ISIS make the video? Of course not. It’d be pointless for them to do that. Trump made the video, and that’s the whole point. And if any member of ISIS, anywhere, ever texted a link to that video to any prospective member, then Clinton’s claim is 100% true. Do you really want to claim that that’s _never_ happened? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2015, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/37 "2015-12-26T03:30:19Z")
Hey, Trump is expressing his sincere beliefs, assuming he has such. Just so happens his sincere beliefs fit neatly into ISIS propaganda message, but that’s _their_ fault for preaching such vile hatred and bigotry! Sure, Trump is a special gift for them, manna from Hell, but is that _his_ fault? Hell, they might not even have noticed if she’d kept her big mouth _shut!_ ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/38 "2015-12-26T04:46:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Here’s what she said: > [Factcheck.org](http://Factcheck.org) did a summary of the Democratic debate, and although they don’t give their usual rating, the blurb ends with “The article [[NBC article](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/donald-trumps-muslim-bashing-aids-cause-terror-networks-say-experts-n476221)], however, contained no evidence that it has happened or is happening now, and makes no mention of any video.” > > She, or her handlers, probably thought it was a pretty safe thing to say, even if there is no evidence of it. I’d rather she didn’t do shit like that, but if that’s the worst she does, then we’re lucky. And no, this does not mean she’s the same as Trump. Trump is the king of lies in this campaign, with Carson being the Crown Prince. Read her words They **are** going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists. Not that they are doing it now - but that they will do it in the future. Which, if ISIS has the slightest bit of skill in propaganda, (and they do) is a damn good bet. A prediction can’t be a lie. And this prediction is a safe one. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2015, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/39 "2015-12-26T05:15:16Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Do we really need cites that such videos exist? If someone is going to claim they exist, then yes. **Voyager** “They are going to people showing videos” is the present tense, not the future tense. You even bolded the part that makes it present, not future tense. Had she said “They are going to go to people…” that would be the future tense. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2015, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304/40 "2015-12-26T11:07:43Z")
Supposedly every statement either side doesn’t agree with is fodder for recruitment for the terrorists. I wonder how many Army recruits we get because of something some imam said about America? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-hrc-back-up-her-charges-regarding-trump/741304.md?page=3)