# Did I ever tell you about the time mswas met Obama? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577 "2009-08-25T00:33:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/121 "2009-08-25T19:06:00Z")
At some point he might realize that it’s easier to just not come to this site than to put everyone who says disparaging things about his thought processes on Ignore. Or he might not. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/122 "2009-08-25T19:15:38Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > The bit about **Lobohan** is nonsense. He’s a stalker pure and simple. No, you’re paranoid, arrogant and stupid. That makes me \*seem \*like a stalker to you. Do try to keep up. > [@](#): > > I am getting more into the ignoring thing because people like **Lobohan** only want to poison the well. If I ignore them then I won’t get sidetracked as often. You’re ignoring me because you’re a coward who can’t support his delusions, yet wants other people to believe them. I can see why I’d be annoying to such a person. Just so you’re aware, you probably aren’t fooling anyone. No need to transmit this to him, this is as much for the peanut gallery as mswas. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/123 "2009-08-25T19:19:16Z")
It would seem I have upset poor **Lobohan** ’s feelings. He’s sure posting a lot for someone who isn’t a stalker. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/124 "2009-08-25T19:23:50Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Against the rules in Great Debates. I don’t think it’s against the rules in The Pit, but if it is I’ll stop announcing. Trolling isn’t agains the rules in The Pit? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/125 "2009-08-25T19:28:30Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > It would seem I have upset poor **Lobohan** ’s feelings. He’s sure posting a lot for someone who isn’t a stalker. Not at all. I still won’t let your lies go unaddressed. Just because you’re running like a coward doesn’t mean you get a free pass to post ignorant tripe, does it? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/126 "2009-08-25T19:30:58Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Trolling isn’t agains the rules in The Pit? From the sticky: > [@](#): > > **No trolling** > > By trolling, we mean posting of inflammatory comments solely to get a rise out of people. If we feel your primary goal as a poster is to make people mad, you’ll quickly find yourself on the road to banning. On the flip side, the fact that a poster consistently makes you mad doesn’t automatically make them a troll. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/127 "2009-08-25T19:31:51Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Trolling isn’t agains the rules in The Pit? I’m not the one trolling. If you’ll notice this thread references me. I asked for the previous thread to be closed. Someone else reopened the discussion. I am the one being trolled, not the other way around. If someone is going to troll me, then I am going to respond. It’s what they want, and I’ll feed them, but I won’t feed them what they ask for, I’ll make sure what I feed them is not what they are looking for. I didn’t ask for **Bryan Ekers** to hatecrush me by starting a Pit thread. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/128 "2009-08-25T19:33:31Z")
It’s really simple. If you don’t want to hear from me, don’t reference my name. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/129 "2009-08-25T19:37:15Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > It’s really simple. If you don’t want to hear from me, don’t reference my name. Doesn’t that cross hurt your back? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/130 "2009-08-25T19:37:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh yeah, get the tip just like that, ooooh yeah. > > Jizzes and leaves. > > Losing never felt so good. Thanks Bryan. > > _Leaves a ten on the night stand._ You’re going multiple when people overreact to your posting something you don’t really believe. Quack! ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/131 "2009-08-25T19:40:00Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > You’re going multiple when people overreact to your posting something you don’t really believe. Quack! _shrugs_ I view pitting me as throwing me a party. It’s a testament to my ego. Why should I view it as anything else? Why should I take it seriously when someone starts a thread just to trash me? You’ll notice that they are a lot more into me than I am into them. I don’t start pit threads dedicated to them. In fact I generally don’t pit people. I think I’ve done it once or twice. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/132 "2009-08-25T19:58:48Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I mean this thread is the perfect example. Look at how many people actually thought I was comparing Obama to Hitler when I was actually contrasting Obama to Hitler by pointing out how the similarities were superficial. Having checked the two threads\*, the answer is between a low of one and a high of six, depending on how stringently you define the ‘actually thought’ part. The definitely thought you were serious one would be Michael Ellis in posts #32 & 36 of this thread. More borderline cases would be: -E-Sabbath (post #19 of the original thread), who asks mswas “Is there something wrong with you” albeit without saying whether s/he thought the OP was meant seriously -Mr. Krebbs (#50), who refers to “the stupidity of comparing Obama to Hitler” but does not state if he believes if mswas was making a serious comparison or not. -twickster (#22), El\_Kabong (#23) and Plain Jane (#41) who all express some variant of ‘is the OP serious or not?’ \*I am aware I could use a life, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/133 "2009-08-25T20:02:21Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > Having checked the two threads\*, the answer is between a low of one and a high of six, depending on how stringently you define the ‘actually thought’ part. > > The definitely thought you were serious one would be Michael Ellis in posts #32 & 36 of this thread. > > More borderline cases would be: > > -E-Sabbath (post #19 of the original thread), who asks mswas “Is there something wrong with you” albeit without saying whether s/he thought the OP was meant seriously > > -Mr. Krebbs (#50), who refers to “the stupidity of comparing Obama to Hitler” but does not state if he believes if mswas was making a serious comparison or not. > > -twickster (#22), El\_Kabong (#23) and Plain Jane (#41) who all express some variant of ‘is the OP serious or not?’ > \*I am aware I could use a life, thanks. LOL thanks. I’m glad that stupid is the minority, and merely prurient jackass is the mean. ---
**Author:** ![Gustav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gustav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gustav)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/134 "2009-08-25T20:08:56Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > _shrugs_ I view pitting me as throwing me a party. It’s a testament to my ego. Why should I view it as anything else? Why should I take it seriously when someone starts a thread just to trash me? > > You’ll notice that they are a lot more into me than I am into them. I don’t start pit threads dedicated to them. In fact I generally don’t pit people. I think I’ve done it once or twice. You know considering how much you complain about being stalked and persecupted you don’t seem too broken up about it. In fact if I didn’t know better I’d almost think you enjoy it. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/135 "2009-08-25T20:10:29Z")
> [@Gustav](#): > > You know considering how much you complain about being stalked and persecupted you don’t seem too broken up about it. In fact if I didn’t know better I’d almost think you enjoy it. Yes and no. I’d be content to be left alone, but if I am to be harassed I’ll play the game of the harasser. In Great Debates it’s fucking annoying in the Pit meh. Basically the game is trying to shame me into shutting up. It’s irrelevant what I say as long as I don’t shut up. If I shut up the terrorists have won. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/136 "2009-08-25T20:13:34Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > -E-Sabbath (post #19 of the original thread), who asks mswas “Is there something wrong with you” albeit without saying whether s/he thought the OP was meant seriously I was curious if he was posting drunk, stoned, or seriously ill. It… well, it didn’t really seem to be a coherent set of sentences. It appeared to be the setup of some kind of shaggy dog story, but it wasn’t long enough, and there wasn’t a punchline. It struck me as the kind of thing someone in an altered state of mind would think was incredibly funny, and nobody else would ‘get’, as there’s nothing there to get. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/137 "2009-08-25T20:14:13Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > The bit about **Lobohan** is nonsense. He’s a stalker pure and simple. I think you’re wrong. > [@mswas](#): > > And when people continually misquote me what am I to believe? > > I mean I am willing to accept the responsibility for being a poor writer, but people consistently misquote me. > > And I don’t claim that they only disagree with me because they don’t understand. I only claim that when I honestly believe they don’t understand. I mean this thread is the perfect example. Look at how many people actually thought I was comparing Obama to Hitler when I was actually contrasting Obama to Hitler by pointing out how the similarities were superficial. The joke as it was, was meant to point out the things that actually made Hitler evil. Usually it’s along the lines of, “You know who else was for UHC? Hitler!”, but being for UHC isn’t what made Hitler evil, and my joke was trying to point out what made Hitler evil, things that Obama has absolutely NOTHING in common with. > > I am commonly misunderstood. That’s why I make such an effort to rephrase my position for so long because I really honestly believe that I am not communicating my ideas effectively. You should take it as a point of respect that I have spent so much time and effort trying to get you to understand where I am coming from. > > But there comes a point when a misunderstanding is insurmountable. > > In a different example. A Christian friend of mine on another message board was talking about how he fundamentally disagrees with Peter Singer on bioethics. He sees it as leading down a road that will ultimately devalue humanity. I disagreed. I said that I agreed with Peter Singer that the ability to have preferences was a better indicator of sentience in an animal/human than whether or not a piece of meat resembles a human but has no higher cognitive functioning. This was in relation to an article he wrote about some drastic medical procedures a couple in [Australia had done on their 9 year old daughter who is still cognitively an infant](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/26/opinion/26singer.html?_r=3&oref=slogin). He understood me, and I understood him. We were crystal clear on each other’s position and we disagreed and there was nowhere to go with the argument. To be clear, I was saying unequivocally that a dog is of higher sentience than a human being who does not progress beyond the stage of an infant. That really bothered him. I didn’t think he was an idiot for his viewpoint on it, I just fundamentally disagreed with him, as to me it is not the configuration of the meat (the species) that has a moral value, it is the sentience. > > I am getting more into the ignoring thing because people like **Lobohan** only want to poison the well. If I ignore them then I won’t get sidetracked as often. Oh, I’m not talking about that joke thread (though I stand by my statement in the thread that it wasn’t funny), and I’m not talking about this thread (a pitting is a party! **Mijin** has been throwing me one, the poor, poor fool). I’m talking about the multiple occasions where you have deflected rational criticisms of your arguments in GD by claiming that your opponents have cognition problems, when it’s perfectly clear that yes, they _do_ understand you, and that the _real_ problem you have is that you can’t counter their rebuttals of your statements. It’s a chickenshit ad-hominem, is what it is, and you have resorted to it several times, both against me and against others. And I HATE it. That said, you certainly don’t _default_ to that position, and you’re not doing it here and now. It’s just something you do sometimes when the alternative would be conceding a point that you’re unwilling to ‘lose’. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/138 "2009-08-25T20:14:20Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > I was curious if he was posting drunk, stoned, or seriously ill. It… well, it didn’t really seem to be a coherent set of sentences. It appeared to be the setup of some kind of shaggy dog story, but it wasn’t long enough, and there wasn’t a punchline. It struck me as the kind of thing someone in an altered state of mind would think was incredibly funny, and nobody else would ‘get’, as there’s nothing there to get. No, I never thought it was incredibly funny. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/139 "2009-08-25T20:15:05Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > It’s irrelevant what I say as long as I don’t shut up. Man, the straight lines are just _begging_ to be used. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577/140 "2009-08-25T20:17:01Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Oh, I’m not talking about that joke thread (though I stand by my statement in the thread that it wasn’t funny), and I’m not talking about this thread (a pitting is a party! **Mijin** has been throwing me one, the poor, poor fool). I’m talking about the multiple occasions where you have deflected rational criticisms of your arguments in GD by claiming that your opponents have cognition problems, when it’s perfectly clear that yes, they _do_ understand you, and that the _real_ problem you have is that you can’t counter their rebuttals of your statements. I disagree that they do understand me, and in many of those cases I have had it corroborated by other posters that indeed I am being misunderstood. That’s the thing if I didn’t get confirmation that some people understand me and others don’t then I would assume that I am mistaken. I know it may not seem obvious to you, but I generally assume that the mistake is on my part if I am being misunderstood by EVERYONE involved. > [@](#): > > It’s a chickenshit ad-hominem, is what it is, and you have resorted to it several times, both against me and against others. And I HATE it. That said, you certainly don’t _default_ to that position, and you’re not doing it here and now. It’s just something you do sometimes when the alternative would be conceding a point that you’re unwilling to ‘lose’. No, sometimes people legitimately do not understand what is being said. It happens ALL the time. There are plenty of times when I concede a point after being schooled. You just don’t notice them because it’s one post and then I stop arguing. Is it so hard for you to believe that I honestly think I am being misunderstood? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-ever-tell-you-about-the-time-mswas-met-obama/507577.md?page=8)