# Did I miss this year's gripes about the Rock and Roll HOF inductees? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 11, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769 "2025-11-11T14:02:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ZonexandScout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zonexandscout/32/544_2.png) [@ZonexandScout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZonexandScout)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/1 "2025-11-11T14:02:36Z")
Just trying to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/2 "2025-11-11T14:23:23Z")
I’ve seen people griping about Chubby Checker in previous threads, so you can consider him pre-griped. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/3 "2025-11-11T14:25:30Z")
Here’s my perennial gripe about the R&RHoF. I hate the whole thing. The very concept and execution. Everything else is just details. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/4 "2025-11-11T14:30:56Z")
It’s the Hall of _Fame_. Some people think it’s the Hall of Sold the Most Records. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/5 "2025-11-11T15:23:17Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Some people think it’s the Hall of Sold the Most Records. Mostly I think people think it is the Hall Of Bands I Like. And never Rush. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/6 "2025-11-11T15:25:31Z")
> [@ZonexandScout](#): > > Just trying to keep up. Yes, you missed it. > [@2025 Nominees for the Rock & Roll HoF](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241): > > Bad Company The Black Crowes Mariah Carey Chubby Checker Joe Cocker Billy Idol Joy Division/New Order Cyndi Lauper Maná Oasis Outkast Phish The White Stripes Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![ZonexandScout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zonexandscout/32/544_2.png) [@ZonexandScout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZonexandScout)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/7 "2025-11-11T15:29:24Z")
Thank you, **TroutMan**. Guess I didn’t use the right search terms. ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/8 "2025-11-11T16:18:02Z")
I think most of the griping was done when the nominations were announced. > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > And never Rush Rush was inducted in 2013. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/9 "2025-11-11T16:21:45Z")
> [@Yodalicious](#): > > Rush was inducted in 2013. Did I say never?? I never never never say never. Well, hardly ever. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/10 "2025-11-11T16:43:00Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Some people think it’s the Hall of Sold the Most Records. > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Mostly I think people think it is the Hall Of Bands I Like. Those would be the big ones, along with “that artist is _not_ ‘rock and roll!’” And, yeah, fundamentally, the R&RHoF is a marketing campaign; the announcement of nominees, the fan voting, the announcement of the enshrinees, and the induction ceremony, are all built around generating PR. Even if you accept that it’s actually the “Popular Music in the U.S. From About 1955 Onwards Hall of Fame,” all of the obvious choices are already in there, with the exception of relatively newer acts which become eligible for the first time. So, at this point, they’re left with corner-cases and acts which were overlooked or bypassed for years. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/11 "2025-11-11T16:48:58Z")
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is (kind of) worth a visit. Some exhibits are interesting. Beyond that, who it chooses to “honor” is a matter of immense non-consequence to me. It has never affected what music I like and what groups/artists I think are deserving of acclaim. Might as well get all bent out of shape about which acts make Rolling Stone’s list of “Top 200 All-Time Rock & Blues Greats, Most of Whom You Don’t Properly Appreciate Because You Have Tastes Reflecting The Common Horde”. ---
**Author:** ![ZonexandScout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zonexandscout/32/544_2.png) [@ZonexandScout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZonexandScout)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/12 "2025-11-11T16:49:53Z")
I keep a list of about 50 artists who (I think) have at least some justification for induction into the HOF. I’ll freely admit that most are “marginal” and that some reasonable argument can be made as to why they have not even been nominated. But at least ten of them are very hard to argue against. And many posters have already made cases for their inclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/13 "2025-11-11T17:18:18Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Well, hardly ever. He hardly ever says “never”! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/14 "2025-11-11T17:22:43Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Here’s my perennial gripe about the R&RHoF. I hate the whole thing. The very concept and execution. I don’t hate the concept, but don’t the rules specify five inductees every year, or is it four? If you bring in five bands every year, then the music industry has to spawn five great bands every year, or the quality of inductees will have to diminish. I just don’t think there are that many great new bands being created. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/15 "2025-11-11T18:55:08Z")
Are inductees necessarily new bands though? e.g.: If last year (2024) had 10 insanely great new bands and this year only has 3, and every year’s HOF intake is limited to 5, why not induct the top 5 from 2024 in 2024, and then in 2025 induct the top 3 from 2025 and the two best runners-up from 2024? Depending on how 2026 works out, those last 2024 folks might make it in then. In eras when there have been lots and lots of great bands, the “back catalog” of greats might sustain many lean years of one-hit wonders and formulaic blech. All without diluting the overall quality. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/16 "2025-11-11T19:36:51Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > all of the obvious choices are already in there Disagree. Weird Al and Styx come to mind immediately. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/17 "2025-11-11T19:39:27Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Are inductees necessarily new bands though? They largely aren’t. With every year’s ballot, one year of “new artists” opens up – artists become eligible 25 years after the the release of their first commercial recording. So, this year, artists who were eligible for the first time were those whose first release was in 2000. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/18 "2025-11-11T20:33:15Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > Weird Al and Styx come to mind immediately. Agree. But the most egregious snub has got to be Jethro Tull. King Crimson needs to be in there, too. ---
**Author:** ![ZonexandScout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zonexandscout/32/544_2.png) [@ZonexandScout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZonexandScout)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/19 "2025-11-11T20:43:57Z")
I can sort of understand Jethro Tull and King Crimson being categorized as “prog rock” by the HOF elites. They have been pretty consistent in that respect. (I don’t condone it, but I recognize it.) But there were quite a few “true rock” bands from the 60s and 70s that have never even been nominated, even though some of them have been highly influential. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769/20 "2025-11-11T22:30:18Z")
> [@ZonexandScout](#): > > I can sort of understand Jethro Tull and King Crimson being categorized as “prog rock” by the HOF elites. They have been pretty consistent in that respect. (I don’t condone it, but I recognize it.) That had long been the conventional wisdom about prog rock’s omission in the HoF, and it was widely assumed that Jan Wenner’s personal dislike of the genre was a factor. But, in the last decade or so, prog and prog-adjacent bands like Yes, Rush, the Moody Blues, and Electric Light Orchestra all made it in. Even so, key early prog groups, like Tull, King Crimson, and Emerson Lake & Palmer are still on the outside. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-miss-this-years-gripes-about-the-rock-and-roll-hof-inductees/1024769.md?page=2)