# Did I really just see this? Dog tBH to apologize by being buried with slaves... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 7, 2007, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520 "2007-11-07T06:15:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/61 "2007-11-08T13:09:28Z")
Regarding, the no term equivalent to “nigger” for white people… I beg to differ and nominate “guinea nigger”. I’m a white person from all outward appearances, but I reckon my family going back a hundred years and more has had many different shades. I’m kin and part of that and I see no reason why I would have been occluded from the Guinea Nigger term by other West Virginians, my being part and parcel of that heritage. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/62 "2007-11-08T14:12:04Z")
Does that term refer to all white people? No. has that term been used by non-whites to collectively degrade white people? No. Would anybody unfamiliar with that term assume it even _referred_ to white people? No. It’s racist in that it’s intended to disparage the perceived lack of white racial “purity” in the subjects. The targets are being derided BY white people for not being perfectly white. It’s more or less eqivalent to “mud people.” It stems from white racism, not white victimization. ---
**Author:** ![BaneSidhe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c5a1d2/32.png) [@BaneSidhe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BaneSidhe)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/63 "2007-11-08T14:14:23Z")
[QUOTE=devilsknew] Regarding, the no term equivalent to “nigger” for white people… I beg to differ and nominate “guinea nigger”. I’m a white person from all outward appearances, but I reckon my family going back a hundred years and more has had many different shades. I’m kin and part of that and I see no reason why I would have been occluded from the Guinea Nigger term by other West Virginians, my being part and parcel of that heritage. [/QUOTE] Huh. I’ve never heard that term and I’ve lived here all my life. What part of WV are you from? ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/64 "2007-11-08T14:34:32Z")
[QUOTE=BaneSidhe] Huh. I’ve never heard that term and I’ve lived here all my life. What part of WV are you from? [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > 1. Guineas of West Virginia and Maryland. (Other names included “West Hill Indians, “ ”Cecil Indians,” and “Guinea niggers.”) [Melungeon.org](http://www.melungeon.org/?BISKIT=1116845&CONTEXT=cat&cat=10005) I actually prefer Cecil Indian over Guinea Nigger, it has a certain ring to it. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/65 "2007-11-08T15:21:48Z")
A racial slur is only effective when the species in power use it to refer to a species not in power. This, “nigger” has more powerful implications than anything blacks could use to denigrate whites, to the point where blacks use it to denigrate other blacks. Was Dog known for saying “nigger” a lot prior to this? I assume he wasn’t; otherwise he’d have had the racist reputation before this. Moreover, this is something he said in what he thought were private circumstances. The lesson learned is NOT “Don’t be racist.” The lesson learned is “Don’t say anything into an electronic device that can store your words into a orbital database and broadcast them all over the planet at the touch of a button that you don’t want everybody else to hear.” ---
**Author:** ![Ivorybill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ee59a6/32.png) [@Ivorybill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ivorybill)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/66 "2007-11-08T15:26:35Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] Most of the racist black people I’ve known actually use cracker or just _white people_ (said in a way you know is insulting) as their terms of choice, though once in a blue moon you’ll hear _ofay_. [/quote] I’ve never heard ofay, but I was once called a “white mother-fucker” by a black woman who was apparently upset that I asked her to drive more slowly by the public park where kids (black and white) were playing. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/67 "2007-11-08T17:22:20Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] There is no word for white people which is equivalent to “nigger,” and that’s all there is to it. [/QUOTE] ‘Pecker wood’, ‘White Bread’, ‘Honky’…it’s a shame ‘honky’ never stuck. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/68 "2007-11-08T17:32:56Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] While I understand you are making a joke, “buck” as a potential slur is completely lost on me. I’ve never heard that one. [/QUOTE] One of Native American descent. John Wayne uses it nonstop in his classic _The Searchers_. ---
**Author:** ![Pithy\_Moniker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8dc957/32.png) [@Pithy\_Moniker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pithy_Moniker)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/69 "2007-11-08T17:41:35Z")
I was once called a “honky redneck cracker” by a black lady who was absolutely spitting with fury at me when she said it. Other than that time, I’ve never heard ‘honky’ used in a non-joking manner. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/70 "2007-11-08T17:47:38Z")
[QUOTE=Sitnam] ‘Pecker wood’, ‘White Bread’, ‘Honky’…it’s a shame ‘honky’ never stuck. [/QUOTE] Hmmm. I like “Peckerwood”, but what sort of connotations does it have? When would one use “peckerwood” instead of “redneck”, “cracker”, “hillbilly” and other seemingly related terms? When’s the last time you heard someone use “peckerwood” un-ironicly, and what did they intend it to mean, exactly? I agree that certain terms for certain white social classes can sting. People can git mighty riled if you go callin’ em peckerwoods or rednecks or other derogatory terms that don’t apply to any non-whites. But it’s a mistake to call these ethnic slurs against whites, because they aren’t used to mean all whites, just certain types of whites. “Nigger” is used against all blacks regardless of their social class, wealth, nationality, culture, and so forth. ---
**Author:** ![BaneSidhe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c5a1d2/32.png) [@BaneSidhe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BaneSidhe)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/71 "2007-11-08T17:57:14Z")
All Dog is doing IMO is the equivalent of shutting the barn door after the horses have gotten loose. ---
**Author:** ![BMax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bmax/32/4267_2.png) [@BMax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMax)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/72 "2007-11-08T18:06:49Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] AgreedIncorrect. Honkey, cracker and paddy are both terms used by non-whites to disparage all whites. [/QUOTE] I thought “Paddy” was only about Irish and American/Australian/etc people of Irish ancestry, like “Kraut” is only about Germans. Although some people might use it to mean all whites… OTOH, was the “Paddy wagon” called such because so many cops were Irish, or because so many criminals were Irish and it was used to haul Irish Immigrants off to jail? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/73 "2007-11-08T18:18:25Z")
[QUOTE=BMax] I thought “Paddy” was only about Irish and American/Australian/etc people of Irish ancestry, like “Kraut” is only about Germans. Although some people might use it to mean all whites… [/quote] I, too, have only heard “paddy” in reference to Irish. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/74 "2007-11-08T20:38:40Z")
I once read a diatribe stating that there cannot possibly be a racist term for white people because it requires a power dynamic. As in, it would require a community where all whites are disadvantaged and nonwhites are at the top the social spectrum. I don’t agree 100%, but he may have a point. The anger one feels being called ‘nigger’, ‘kyke’ and whatnot comes from pigeonholing them into low status because of their race. I can’t see myself ever being offended by ‘Honky’ or ‘Pecker wood’, but that isn’t to say they aren’t words to insult white people. If someone insults your race in a language you can’t comprehend it’s still an insult. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/75 "2007-11-08T21:24:31Z")
[QUOTE=BMax] I thought “Paddy” was only about Irish and American/Australian/etc people of Irish ancestry, like “Kraut” is only about Germans. Although some people might use it to mean all whites… OTOH, was the “Paddy wagon” called such because so many cops were Irish, or because so many criminals were Irish and it was used to haul Irish Immigrants off to jail? [/QUOTE] Growing up in the LA Barrio during the 1960s paddy was the term used by Mexican-Americans to describe any white person. didn’t matter if you were of German, Dutch or whatever ancestry, you were a paddy. YMMV of course. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/76 "2007-11-08T21:28:16Z")
Huh. Whatever happened to “gringo” then? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/77 "2007-11-08T21:35:18Z")
Heh. Brings me back - I’m half dago myself, and half Pennsylvania redneck on my father’s side. Ever make your tomato sauce with venison? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/78 "2007-11-08T22:11:36Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] Ever make your tomato sauce with venison? [/QUOTE] No, but it sounds good. I’d most definitely try some. . ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/79 "2007-11-08T22:32:21Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] You are quite ignorant of what you speak. [/QUOTE] Really? > [@](#): > > The word _originated_ among white people I’ve provided cites form my assertion. You are waving your hands about. > [@](#): > > and does NOT refer to a physical trait but to an economic class. Again, I’ll ask. “White” is not a physical trait? > [@](#): > > I don’t care if a Faulkner had a black character say it. I never said that no black person ever used it. You do realize that your post is still out there, right? Here it is again. \* “White trash” has **never** been a term used by non-whites to degrade caucasians. \* Is a black person not a “non-white,” or are we in the rabbit hole here? As I pointed out, it was \ ***invented** \*by blacks in order to disparage whites. > [@](#): > > I am saying that it’s a term primarily used by whites to refer to other whites and regardless of the color of the speaker it STILL isn’t use in reference to all white people but only to a certain, economic subset. Who said it has to refer to \*all \*whites? That’s an artificial restriction of your own making. If I call the guys in the house down the block “a bunch of dagos” am I calling all Italians dagos? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520/80 "2007-11-08T23:00:24Z")
i didn’t see the clip to which sampiro refers; i did see a clip of mr bounty hunter on larry king. he said that he would make it “right” by working with “interracial” people, taking classes, and learning new words. he has sworn off swearing, he claims. he is now taken aback when he heards the “f” word. perhaps he will read this thead and learn new words. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-i-really-just-see-this-dog-tbh-to-apologize-by-being-buried-with-slaves/425520.md?page=5)