# Did Jackie Suspect LBJ of Killing JFK? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 26, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114 "2011-08-26T01:05:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/21 "2011-08-29T18:58:26Z")
My God, I would imagine all kinds of stuff went through Jackie’s mind, LBJ, CIA, Cuba, Mafia…in that state, who knows? She didn’t seem to espouse any of that sort of thing later on, so I couldn’t say. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/22 "2011-08-29T19:32:39Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > So, basically, like the others, none. > At the time of the Kennedy assassination, the U.S. involvement in Vietnam was not a big deal. > You are correct-Johnson got th war rolling in 1964-with his infamous “Gulf of Tonkin” resolution-whereby the USA declared ar because of a radar reflection. > Despite some claims by Kennedy associates after the war had become unpopular, there is no serious evidence that Kennedy had any intention of pulling out at the time of his death. > No, Kennedy complained abot the continual escalation, and wondered why we were there at all. > > There was no serious deployment of General Dynamics planes in Vietnam at the time of the assassination and all the "CEO"s who “made tons of money” were not threatened, in any way, by Kennedy’s presidency. > Wrong agian-General Dynamics was awarded huge contracts by the USAF for fighter planes(again, after 1964) > Regardless how corrupt LBJ might have been, there is still nothing to connect him to any assassination plots. > > This stuff is silly and it really has no bearing on the topic of this thread–the opinions of Jackie Kenndy Onassis regarding LBJ. No, it has a LOT to do why the USA spent billions on an obscure corner of the earth. Johnson’s friends endorsed the war, and mde lots of money from it. Quote: ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/23 "2011-08-29T19:46:17Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > No, it has a LOT to do why the USA spent billions on an obscure corner of the earth. Johnson’s friends endorsed the war, and mde lots of money from it. > > Quote: Looks like they got to **ralph124c**.☹ ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/24 "2011-08-29T19:53:53Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > No, it has a LOT to do why the USA spent billions on an obscure corner of the earth. Johnson’s friends endorsed the war, and mde lots of money from it. > > Quote: So… is Korea also an obscure corner of the world? Was Harry Truman working to make money for defense contractors? Isn’t it MORE likely that, JFK and LBJ were both acting according to longstanding U.S. policies to contain the spread of comunism? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/25 "2011-08-29T20:58:27Z")
> [@Manduck](#): > > Looks like they got to **ralph124c**.☹ His last, dying movement was to click “Submit reply” to an unfinished post. Gotta love the determination to bring forth the truth. **Ralph** , you will be missed. WE WILL NOT FORGET YOUR SACRIFICE! ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/26 "2011-08-30T16:38:49Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > So… is Korea also an obscure corner of the world? In 1950? Yes, it was. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/27 "2011-08-30T18:37:52Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > In 1950? Yes, it was. So, obviously, Harry Truman only sent troops there because defense contractors wanted him to, right? ---
**Author:** ![mike1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19adc/32.png) [@mike1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mike1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/28 "2011-09-10T01:05:58Z")
Why did jack ruby a known associate of the mafia kill lee Harvey oswold, was this a patriotic duty of a dying man with terminal cancer I suspect not. Why did the know lover who had lyndon johnsons child go on record saying he not only knew it was going to happen but was a part of it. Why did lyndon johnsons attorney go on record saying Johnson was absolutely beyond doubt involved in it. Why would Jim garret spend years of his life as a district attorney fighting for the truth for no reason. The son of the new York mafia family said quote “the death of lee Harvey oswold stinks of mafia involvement”. Finally Jackie Kennedy had those tapes sealed for 50 years because she believed lee Harvey oswold killed jfk… come on ladies and gentlemen way to many people connected directly to murder and the people involved in it have spoken out, the reasons for it we may never properly understand or become privy to but let’s not be naive throughout history human beings have murdered and commited horrible acts of violence to get to where they want to be, this is just another case of it and for the record lee Harvey oswold denied ever killing jfk. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/29 "2011-09-10T01:49:39Z")
The book is out now and the [stories from it are leaking out](http://www.scotsman.com/news/Jackie-Kennedy-tapes-show-mistrust.6833679.jp) all over the place. Here’s what we know. Jackie didn’t like Martin Luther King. Or Lyndon Johnson. She thought Ted Sorenson tried to take credit for writing _Profiles in Courage_. She didn’t like her sister-in-law Eunice Shriver, and didn’t have a lot of respect for either Lady Bird Johnson or Pat Nixon. But there isn’t a single thing in the whole damn book that suggests she thought Lyndon Johnson had anything to do with the assasination. Sorry, **mike1**. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/30 "2011-09-10T03:43:11Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > She thought Ted Sorenson tried to take credit for writing _Profiles in Courage_. But I thought Ted Sorenson DID write _Profiles in Courage_. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/31 "2011-09-10T13:15:04Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Of all the conspiracy theories, this one makes the most sense: > -LBJ had a big interest in making sure the Vietnam War continued\_Texas had the General Dynamics fighter plane business > -LBJ had many CEO friends whose firms made tons of money off the war > -LBJ was notoriously corrupt-his friend John Connolly acknowledged that LBJ won his senate election through ballot box stuffing Lee Harvey Oswald, a communist, killed John F Kennedy. Period. The people who believe otherwise, the Oliver Stones and Mort Sahls of the world, are so flat out stupid and dishonest that they make the birthers and 9/11 truthers look rational. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/32 "2011-09-11T00:58:08Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > But I thought Ted Sorenson DID write _Profiles in Courage_. 😕 So you can understand why she was angry about it. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/33 "2011-09-11T19:46:06Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > But surely you don’t think he was, right? I hope you don’t. Oswald did it. Oh, no doubt Oswald did the actual shooting. But I can believe that if there was some sort of conspiracy, LBJ would have been involved. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/34 "2011-09-11T20:33:18Z")
Lately, various newspapers have reported that Jacky had some unflattering remarks about Martin Luther King-supposedly, King claimed that Cardinal Cushing was drunk at JFK’s funeral, and that MLK was trying to arrnage an “orgy” at one point. Sounds like this could make nice “National Inquirer” material! ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/35 "2011-09-12T06:54:17Z")
**ralph124c** has escaped the conspiracy’s evil clutches!! ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/36 "2011-09-12T07:22:25Z")
From interviews of Jacqueline Kennedy I’ve seen from around that time, she’s never struck me as all that bright. Maybe average intelligence at best. She was also surrounded by people she apparently despised and had recently had the traumatic experience of holding her husband’s brains and trying to keep them from sliding out of his head. With all that, I don’t doubt she could have been led to believe all sorts of nutty things. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/37 "2011-09-12T07:27:42Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > A few things to consider, IF you believe that LBJ was behind the Kennedy assassination, > > 1. Why did LBJ repeatedly undermine the Warren Commission? If LBJ were behind the assassination, wouldn’t it be in his interest to bolster the Warren Commission’s findings whenever possible? Instead, LBJ regularly told friends and confidantes that the Kennedy boys, Jack and Bobby, were running “a goddamn Murder Incorporated in the Caribbean” and was convinced that Castro took out JFK in pre-emptive self-defense. I’m not sure how exactly LBJ undermined the Warren commission – you mean thwarting the investigation at the time, or casting doubt on its conclusions afterward? If it’s the former, I can understand a reluctance to get to the bottom of the matter if LBJ feared that Castro or the Soviets were definitely behind JFK’s murder. If such findings became public, it could have led to World War III. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/38 "2011-09-12T07:30:41Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Lately, various newspapers have reported that Jacky had some unflattering remarks about Martin Luther King-supposedly, King claimed that Cardinal Cushing was drunk at JFK’s funeral, and that MLK was trying to arrnage an “orgy” at one point. > Sounds like this could make nice “National Inquirer” material! What would? That, 48 years ago, somebody who’s now dead got offended because somebody else who’s now dead made an offensive joke about somebody else who’s now dead on the occasion of a fourth person’s funeral? ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/39 "2011-09-12T07:51:45Z")
You’re skipping the “MLK arranging orgies during the march on Washington” part. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114/40 "2011-09-12T19:03:11Z")
From all I’ve read, Jackie thought LBJ was tacky and boorish, but had an offhand affection for him and later was grateful for how well he treated her after JFK’s death. AFAIK she never suspected him of complicity in her husband’s murder. JFK edged up the U.S. commitment in Vietnam but resisted repeated Pentagon pressure to do more, and said to several aides that he would consider disengagement if reelected. He told Cronkite in a summer 1963 interview that, when all was said and done, it was up to the South Vietnamese to win their own war. After early screwups such as the Bay of Pigs, JFK became quite sure-footed in his foreign policy by the end of his life, and distrustful of the advice of uniformed professionals, unlike LBJ. For more, I strongly suggest this book: [http://www.amazon.com/Kennedys-Wars-Berlin-Cuba-Vietnam/dp/0195152433/ref=sr\_1\_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315854051&sr=1-1](http://www.amazon.com/Kennedys-Wars-Berlin-Cuba-Vietnam/dp/0195152433/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315854051&sr=1-1) And to nitpick: it’s “Sorensen.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jackie-suspect-lbj-of-killing-jfk/594114.md?page=3)