# Did Jesus say he was the son of God? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 10, 2018, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624 "2018-07-10T00:33:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/41 "2018-07-10T16:27:56Z")
> [@Bonzi](#): > > If you believe the Bible, Paul did “meet” Jesus. He even spoke to him, but, either you believe the Bible or you don’t. I guess it all depends on which parts you believe more, and which parts you believe less. It is a rare(and probably confused) soul who believes it all equally. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/42 "2018-07-10T16:36:26Z")
> [@Bonzi](#): > > I wasn’t sure I could say. I have been on boards where you can not mention other sites or boards… that being said, it’s from a website called “Got Questions”. I think the principle is correct, just the wording not so much. If you are talking about gotquestionsdotorg, then it’s a great place to get " Christian, Protestant, conservative, evangelical, fundamental, and non-denominational" interpretations. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/43 "2018-07-10T16:40:23Z")
> [@Bonzi](#): > > I wasn’t sure I could say. I have been on boards where you can not mention other sites or boards… FYI you can read the guidelines about quoting text [here.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7696968#post7696968) The short version is you can and are encouraged to link to a source you got information from and can include a _small snippet_ of the source text that is relevant to the point you are making. Basically a “fair use” policy that might be used in any newspaper. ---
**Author:** ![Patx2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@Patx2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patx2)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/44 "2018-07-10T17:32:42Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > See post #4 in this thread. Yes, sorry, I missed that one and when I read the OP it was the first thing that came to my mind. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/45 "2018-07-10T17:46:51Z")
What Jesus said is open for much debate, in and of itself. What Jesus meant by what he may (or may not) have said is up for even more debate. n the bible narrative - [He certainly says he is ‘son of god’ and also implies it in the psalmist’s sense (we are all sons of god)](http://biblehub.com/bsb/john/10.htm) but in the other events in John - [where he specifically says “I AM”](http://biblehub.com/bsb/john/8.htm) - he is clearly claiming to be more. That the Pharisees went to stone him for blasphemy and he does not respond with a ‘no - you misunderstand’ - clearly intend that he is calling himself GOD. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/46 "2018-07-10T21:34:10Z")
> [@Bonzi](#): > > He’s the “biological” son of God in the sense that he had no other father (sperm donor for lack of a better term). I think Son of God was used to help people understand how Jesus was born. And that presents a slight problem. The Messiah as King of Israel is descended from King David. Since royal descent is patrilineal, the biological son of God cannot be the Messiah and vice versa. The Messiah is not divine at all, but is an instantiation of King David, who can triumph, at last. Sons of god are unknown in Judaism, save for Genesis 6, and the view has been that they were human, and possibly the sons of Seth. On the other hand descendants of deities were considered common in the Greek and Roman world, so calling Jesus divine (on par with Hercules, at least) is the kind of promotion you’d expect from his Pauline PR firm. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/47 "2018-07-10T22:09:58Z")
> [@md2000](#): > > As I understood things - Jesus was a Jewish zealot (See Reza Aslan’s book _Zealot_) who wanted to restore the Temple to its glory and expected divine intervention to kick out the temple hierarchy and the Romans. He was executed as a threat to public order on the pretence that he was fomenting rebellion; not difficult after he ransacked the Temple market. > > Years later Paul had some sort of mind-blowing experience - medical or otherwise - and basically made up a lot of the embellishments that made Christianity a religion full of mysticism to appeal to the gentiles of the Eastern Mediterranean, including such mystical 3-in1 doctrine as the trinity. He also claimed for himself the mantle of “apostle” and that it was unnecessary to consider the original followers as he had all the answers. The followers who hung around the temple tolerated him saying whatever he wanted to the gentiles provided he did not try to pervert members of the Jewish faith. When the Romans destroyed the temple and murdered most of Jerusalem, that left Paul’s as the dominant version. > > Over the next few centuries, the gospels were collected and embellished to match Paul’s message. So many of those quotes are as likely as not writer embellishments, putting words in Jesus mouth to match the orthodoxy of the early church; just as the “gospels” that did not match up with the message of the dominant sect of the church were relegated to the apocrypha and suppressed. As far as summations go, I’d largely agree with your book. One thing that I’ll note is that, based on the Gnostic works that have been left behind, it seems likely that Jesus’ teachings would have been even more mystical than Paul’s version. The Ophites are generally accepted as being a 1st Century sect following Jesus: > **[Ophites](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophites)** > > The Ophites, also called Ophians (Greek Ὀφιανοί Ophianoi, from ὄφις ophis "snake"), were a Christian Gnostic sect depicted by Hippolytus of Rome (170–235) in a lost work, the Syntagma ("arrangement"). > It is now thought that later accounts of these "Ophites" by Pseudo-Tertullian, Philastrius and Epiphanius of Salamis are all dependent on the lost Syntagma of Hippolytus. It is possible that, rather than an actual sectarian name, Hippolytus may have invented "Ophite" as a generic term for what he c... We know nothing about the beliefs of the [Nicolaitans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism), but the [Borborites](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borborites) are reputed to have descended from them. The [Naassenes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naassenes) may have been 1st Century. The contemporaries of Jesus and fellow disciples of John the Baptist, Simon and Dositheos had their own Gnostic beliefs: > **[Dositheos (Samaritan)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dositheos_(Samaritan))** > > Dositheos (occasionally also known as Nathanael, both meaning "gift of God") was a Samaritan religious leader. He was the founder of a Samaritan sect often assumed to be Gnostic in nature, and is reputed to have known John the Baptist, and been either a teacher or a rival of Simon Magus. > Dositheos probably lived in the first century CE. Eusebius and the Pseudo-Clementines portray Dositheus as Jewish, while Pseudo-Tertullian and Philastrius describe him as Samaritan. According to Epiphanius, he w... > **[Simonians](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simonians)** > > The Simonians were a Gnostic sect of the 2nd century which regarded Simon Magus as its founder and traced its doctrines, known as Simonianism, back to him. The sect flourished in Syria, in various districts of Asia Minor and at Rome. In the 3rd century remnants of it still existed, which survived until the 4th century. > Justin Martyr wrote in his Apology (152 AD) that the sect of the Simonians appeared to have been formidable, as he speaks four times of their founder, Simon. > The Simonians are me... And Menander continued on the teachings of Simon: > **[Menander (Gnostic)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menander_(gnostic))** > > Menander (Greek: Μένανδρος) was a first-century AD Samaritan Gnostic and magician. He belonged to the school of the Simonians, becoming its leader after the death of his master and instructor, Simon Magus, who was in Rome during the reign of Emperor Claudius. > He is mentioned in the works of Irenaeus, Tertullian and others. Justin Martyr is the oldest source of knowledge about Menander after he met some of the devoted Menandrians in their old age. > Justin suggested that Menander was born in Cappa... It’s very likely that Jesus’ teachings would have included a very complex cosmology and a fairly elaborate story of the [Demiurge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge) and [Sophia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(Gnosticism)). Paul focused more on the Love and Kindness angle and less on the mysticism. Among all the heresies that the “Orthodox” group competed with, there was generally a greater amount of mysticism, strongly implying that the originator was more mystic than Paul. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/48 "2018-07-11T02:27:38Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > Jesus of Nazareth stated that he was the son of God. > > When challenged – because this was viewed as an offensively arrogant claim, worthy of stoning – he defended doing so on the basis of Psalms 82, in which “God said [to the people] ‘Ye are Gods’”. > > In other words (as I understand it) he was not saying “I’m the son of God and you’re not” (if you don’t mind me channeling Chevy Chase for a moment here). He was saying “I’m the son of god just as all of us are children of God”. > > Which is consistent with teaching folks to pray as follows: **Our** Father who art in heaven… > [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > I am so going to use that line, as soon as I stop laughing… > > Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that there’s only one God named Jehovah, but Jesus is _a_ god named Jesus. Go figure. > > I do ask rah-rah Christians what man Jesus was the son of. Check out John 10: 30-38 — > [@John 10:30-38](#): > > 10:30 I and my Father are one. > > 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. > > 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? > > 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. > > 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? > > 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; > > 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? > > 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. > > 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. Now check out Psalms 82:1-6 which appears to be what he was referencing in saying “is it not written in your law”: > [@](#): > > ## PSALM 82 > > 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. > > 82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. > > 82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. > > 82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. > > 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. > > 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; **and all of you are children of the most High**. > > 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. > > 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/49 "2018-07-11T03:01:12Z")
> [@Bonzi](#): > > … , but, either you believe the Bible or you don’t. Not true at all. You can believe parts of it and not other parts. In fact it’s impossible to believe everything in the Bible, because of the numerous direct unresolvable contradictions. ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/50 "2018-07-11T03:03:53Z")
> [@simster](#): > > What Jesus said is open for much debate, in and of itself. > > What Jesus meant by what he may (or may not) have said is up for even more debate. > > n the bible narrative - [He certainly says he is ‘son of god’ and also implies it in the psalmist’s sense (we are all sons of god)](http://biblehub.com/bsb/john/10.htm) but in the other events in John - [where he specifically says “I AM”](http://biblehub.com/bsb/john/8.htm) - he is clearly claiming to be more. He could, however, be making that claim on behalf of every human, not exclusively himself. ---
**Author:** ![Bonzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/838e76/32.png) [@Bonzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonzi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/51 "2018-07-11T11:52:13Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > Not true at all. You can believe parts of it and not other parts. > > In fact it’s impossible to believe everything in the Bible, because of the numerous direct unresolvable contradictions. Again, I’m not talking in absolutes. I guess you could say when I say “believe in the Bible” you believe it is what it claims to be. Or, what your religion claims it is. Everyone will admit there are certainly truths in the Bible. However, not so many would commit to saying they believe it is the inspired word of God. ---
**Author:** ![Bonzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/838e76/32.png) [@Bonzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonzi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/52 "2018-07-11T11:56:07Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > He could, however, be making that claim on behalf of every human, not exclusively himself. Jesus certainly said he was God without saying it like that. He DID indicate we are all sons/daughters of God. However, he did not shy away from pointing out that he was different. God himself, which is why the Pharisees wanted to kill him for blasphemy. ---
**Author:** ![Bonzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/838e76/32.png) [@Bonzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonzi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/53 "2018-07-11T12:00:17Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > And that presents a slight problem. The Messiah as King of Israel is descended from King David. Since royal descent is patrilineal, the biological son of God cannot be the Messiah and vice versa. The Messiah is not divine at all, but is an instantiation of King David, who can triumph, at last. > > Sons of god are unknown in Judaism, save for Genesis 6, and the view has been that they were human, and possibly the sons of Seth. On the other hand descendants of deities were considered common in the Greek and Roman world, so calling Jesus divine (on par with Hercules, at least) is the kind of promotion you’d expect from his Pauline PR firm. Whatever terminology you apply, the Bible is quite specific (in both old and new testament) that “someone” was with God from the beginning of time, that he will come to Earth and make himself a sacrifice for all people. Isaiah describes what happens to Jesus in the New Testament quite accurately. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/54 "2018-07-11T16:21:57Z")
> [@md2000](#): > > As I understood things - Jesus was a Jewish zealot (See Reza Aslan’s book _Zealot_) who wanted to restore the Temple to its glory and expected divine intervention to kick out the temple hierarchy and the Romans. He was executed as a threat to public order on the pretence that he was fomenting rebellion; not difficult after he ransacked the Temple market. > > Years later Paul had some sort of mind-blowing experience - medical or otherwise - and basically made up a lot of the embellishments that made Christianity a religion full of mysticism to appeal to the gentiles of the Eastern Mediterranean, including such mystical 3-in1 doctrine as the trinity. He also claimed for himself the mantle of “apostle” and that it was unnecessary to consider the original followers as he had all the answers. The followers who hung around the temple tolerated him saying whatever he wanted to the gentiles provided he did not try to pervert members of the Jewish faith. When the Romans destroyed the temple and murdered most of Jerusalem, that left Paul’s as the dominant version. > > Over the next few centuries, the gospels were collected and embellished to match Paul’s message. So many of those quotes are as likely as not writer embellishments, putting words in Jesus mouth to match the orthodoxy of the early church; just as the “gospels” that did not match up with the message of the dominant sect of the church were relegated to the apocrypha and suppressed. I just want to add that I’ve read Aslan’s book, and though I’m well aware that it’s been attacked from several different sources, I found it persuasive and credible. Aslan himself is an interesting and controversial fellow, a one-time evangelical Christian and now a Muslim, an author, religious scholar, and sometimes provocative commentator. _Zealot_ is a fascinating attempt to reconstruct the historical Jesus with credible academic rigor. Aslan concludes, in essence, that Jesus was a Jewish political revolutionary whose primary mission was the liberation of Judea from Roman control, as well as opposition to the oppressive aristocracy of the Jewish priesthood. His teachings may have had moral overtones but the sanctification of Jesus, in Aslan’s view, was entirely built on after-the-fact embellishments and the institutionalization of Christianity. Thus he was crucified not on the mere pretext that he was fomenting rebellion, but based on the reality that he really was. I think Christians are generally taught that the inscription “INRI” traditionally seen on the cross, meaning “Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum”, or “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews”, was meant as mockery, but in Aslan’s view it was meant literally and intended to serve as a warning to others. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624/55 "2018-07-11T16:40:30Z")
> [@Bonzi](#): > > Whatever terminology you apply, the Bible is quite specific (in both old and new testament) that “someone” was with God from the beginning of time, that he will come to Earth and make himself a sacrifice for all people. Isaiah describes what happens to Jesus in the New Testament quite accurately. You believe according to your interpretations, and others believe according to theirs-the problem is that your interpretations are guided by beliefs already held. Basically, you can only see what you want to see. ---
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> [@Bonzi](#): > > Isaiah describes what happens to Jesus in the New Testament quite accurately. Only in your religiously-motivated mind. Isaiah does not mention Jesus by name. Much like interpretations of Nostradamus’ writings, vague descriptions can be assigned to whoever you want them to. Judaism does not agree with Christianity that Isaiah references refer to Jesus. If you throw out enough wild-ass-guesses, some will stick. Isaiah throws out a shitload of vague, wild-ass-guesses. If you try hard enough, you can find one that predicts what you will have for lunch tomorrow. What a prophet! ---
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> [@Bonzi](#): > > Again, I’m not talking in absolutes. I guess you could say when I say “believe in the Bible” you believe it is what it claims to be. Or, what your religion claims it is. > > Everyone will admit there are certainly truths in the Bible. However, not so many would commit to saying they believe it is the inspired word of God. Everyone admits _what_? At most, I accept that there are a few historical facts nestled amongst the storytelling, and plenty of people believe that collection of stories is the inspired word of the god they believe in…but there is a pretty good chance that the god they have derived from those stories is different from the god you see in those same stories. ---
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> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > In fact it’s impossible to believe everything in the Bible, because of the numerous direct unresolvable contradictions. No such things exist. Anytime two passages appear to contradict each other, it is simply and solely because you do not understand one or both passages. Once both are fully understood, the apparent contradiction disappears. ---
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> [@Flyer](#): > > No such things exist. > > Anytime two passages appear to contradict each other, it is simply and solely because you do not understand one or both passages. Once both are fully understood, the apparent contradiction disappears. Actually, once you can “translate” the verse that doesn’t tell you what you already believe(or even ignore it completely), you are than free to believe the verse that does tell you what you already believe. ---
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> [@Flyer](#): > > No such things exist. > > Anytime two passages appear to contradict each other, it is simply and solely because you do not understand one or both passages. Once both are fully understood, the apparent contradiction disappears. complete.utter.bullshit If it was GOD inspired, GOD should be able to do it without needing tranlation, transliteration and ‘you just don’t understand it’ excuses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-jesus-say-he-was-the-son-of-god/817624.md?page=4)