# Did Laurel and Hardy or Abott and Costello hate each other? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 12, 2001, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854 "2001-11-12T03:09:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/1 "2001-11-12T03:09:01Z")
My dad has told me that both of these comedy pairs actually did not like one another very much, if at all. He has said it about both of them at separate times. Is it true and if so, for which one? Both? Neither? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Bossk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@Bossk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bossk)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/2 "2001-11-12T03:23:31Z")
I’ve always read that Laurel & hardy were pretty amicable. Not so with Abbott and Costello, though. I think A&C went through a considerable period of time after they stopped making movies and TV appearances where they didn’t speak to each other at all. Of course, it was no secret in Hollywood that Costello was a Grade-A bastard. I know I’ve seen blooper footage of Costello muffing his lines and absolutely losing it. ---
**Author:** ![Torgo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@Torgo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Torgo)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/3 "2001-11-12T03:37:23Z")
I believe there was a period following the accidental drowning death of Costello’s infant son where the two did not speak to each other, but it abated and they became amicable again (they weren’t real tight buds to begin with). Laurel & Hardy, on the other hand, were pretty good friends. Strangely enough both Abbott and Laurel, who survived their partners, died in utter poverty. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_Bowe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@Doug\_Bowe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_Bowe)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/4 "2001-11-12T06:54:14Z")
I recall seeing on a biography that Stan & Ollie agreed to give up films for a period of time that would allow one or the other to get out of a staggered contract with Hal Roach. And it was done. This does not happen when two business parties loath each other. ---
**Author:** ![Bossk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@Bossk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bossk)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/5 "2001-11-12T08:08:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Torgo \* > \*\* Strangely enough both Abbott and Laurel, who survived their partners, died in utter poverty. \*\* Well, if we’re being objective, I think lower-middle-class sums it up nicely. But still, an utter outrage. Especially with Hal Roach’s monetary treatment of L&H. A crime. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/6 "2001-11-12T18:11:04Z")
The impression I’ve gotten (my expertise here is VERY limited) is that Laurel and Hardy got along fine, for one reason: Stan Laurel was the boss and the brains of the team, and Oliver Hardy liked it that way. After a day’s filming was over, Hardy was content to go out and play golf or have dinner, while Stan Laurel stayed on the set to work out routines and to tinker with the script for the next day’s shooting. Hardy respected Laurel’s judgment, and was generally quite content to do whatever Laurel thought would work best. Bud Abbott and Lou Costello often had bitter disputes, because both had been successful in vaudeville and in burlesque as solo acts, both had strong opinions about the direction their act should take, and neither was interested in being a second banana. “Hate” is a strong word… but it’s clear they frequently fought like cats and dogs ---
**Author:** ![Gomez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d78d45/32.png) [@Gomez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gomez)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/7 "2001-11-12T18:54:01Z")
I don’t know about Abbot and Costello but Laurel and Hardy were thick as thieves. I read that Laurel was devastated when Hardy died and hardly did any work at all afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![braintree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@braintree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/braintree)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2002, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/8 "2002-07-02T15:14:54Z")
Laurel and Hardy started out as aquaintances and became close friends. Abbott and Costello hit one particularly rocky period when Lou decided they should be Costello and Abbott. At one point Abbott had an act with Candy Candino while Costello was still alive — a fairly strong indication of working difficulties. Trivia note: Costello paid for the nose job of an up-and-coming crooner by the name of Dean Martin. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2002, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/9 "2002-07-02T16:20:32Z")
I recall an interview in _Starlog_ with Mel Blanc (of Warner Bros. fame, voice of Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck and countless others) who guested on the A&C TV show. He said it was the most uncomfortable time he ever had, because it was obvious that “they really couldn’t stand each other.” ---
**Author:** ![TV\_time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f17d59/32.png) [@TV\_time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TV_time)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2002, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/10 "2002-07-02T16:57:52Z")
I have heard (from a long time employee at a Las Vegas casino) that Lou Costello at least once flew into a rage when he and Bud Abbott were compared to Laural and Hardy, but to be fair, I believe it was during one of the troubled period in his and Abbott’s career. Still, I vaguely remember a relative (a daughter?) of Costello’s saying on one of those biography type television programs how much Costello admired Stan Laurel. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2002, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/11 "2002-07-03T04:07:29Z")
Another strain in the A&C relationship was when Lou tried to make the money split 60-40 or some such. Abbot didn’t go along with it and that lead to a period of little or no work for a while. All this about comedy teams getting along and no one has brought up M\*\*\*\*\* and L\*\*\*\* (just M\*\*\*\*\*)? ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2002, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/12 "2002-07-03T05:11:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ftg \* > \*\*Another strain in the A&C relationship was when Lou tried to make the money split 60-40 or some such. Abbot didn’t go along with it and that lead to a period of little or no work for a while. > > \*\* The anacdote that I heard (and I make no claims about its accuracy) is that there _was_ a 60 - 40 split in _Abbot’s_ favor. The way the story goes is that Abbot was considered more valuable because comics are a dime-a-dozen but a good straight man is hard to find. Perhaps Eve or someone else who knows Hollywood history can straighten us out. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2002, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/13 "2002-07-03T13:55:51Z")
Sorry I’m late, was out sick yesterday. Serendipity! I just wrote entries on L&H and A&C for the _Encyclopedia Americana_. What’s said above is pretty much on target. **Abbott and Costello** fought off and on through most of their association, which began in burlesque in the early 1930s. Mostly about money, and Abbott’s occasional unprofessionalism. They had made a tense peace with each other by the time they died. **Laurel and Hardy** liked working together very much and didn’t dislike each other—but they had very different personalities and lifestyles, and rarely if ever socialized with each other offscreen. ---
**Author:** ![Swede\_Hollow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Swede\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swede_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2002, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/14 "2002-07-03T17:40:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by astorian \* > **Bud Abbott and Lou Costello often had bitter disputes, because both had been successful in vaudeville and in burlesque as solo acts, both had strong opinions about the direction their act should take, and neither was interested in being a second banana.** I had heard that Costello met Abbott while doing Vaudeville, but Abbott was a doorman or in some similar position. I didn’t think he was a stage person. Also, wasn’t the main reason for Abbott being (comparatively) broke was because he had a bad accountant (one that would have made Arthur Anderson proud) that caused the IRS to come in and take almost everything Abbott owned. Can anyone confirm / refute this? ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2002, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/15 "2002-07-03T17:52:43Z")
I don’t know too much about Abbott’s financial status (picturing IRS guy going, “heeeeey, Abbott!”). But it’s true that he started as a ticket-taker in stock and burlesque, and was reportedly working the box-office for a threatrical company when Costello’s partner failed to show up and Abbott filled in, c1930. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2002, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/16 "2002-07-04T09:46:35Z")
Has anyone else heard the anacdote that I mentioned? I would assume that it’s just a myth or a joke (it sounds like one) but you never know. ---
**Author:** ![Swede\_Hollow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Swede\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swede_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2002, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/17 "2002-07-05T02:32:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Linus Van Pelt \* > \*\*The anacdote that I heard (and I make no claims about its accuracy) is that there was a 60 - 40 split in Abbot’s favor. The way the story goes is that Abbot was considered more valuable because comics are a dime-a-dozen but a good straight man is hard to find. \*\* You’re right. Public radio mentioned this a while back. Costello was the comic and writer, but Abbott got more money since he was the straight-man. ---
**Author:** ![priapus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@priapus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/priapus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/18 "2015-04-15T22:47:57Z")
I read Abbot got more money when Costello wanted to take the risk of taking the act to the movies. To do so, they would have to forfeit scheduled engagements. If the act didn’t work onscreen, they would lose a lot of money. It was a risk Abbot would take only if he got more money. Costello got his revenge later and the proportions were reversed. Whoops, didn’t realize this was such and old thread. ---
**Author:** ![norvalnormal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f19dbf/32.png) [@norvalnormal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/norvalnormal)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/19 "2015-04-17T16:31:45Z")
Well, as long as this zombie has been resurrected: My understanding, from interviews with his daughter, is that Laurel lived pretty comfortably in his later years (partially 'cause of some real estate investments he’d made decades earlier?). He was certainly not in “lower-middle-class” financial straits. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2015, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854/20 "2015-04-17T17:10:25Z")
> [@norvalnormal](#): > > Well, as long as this zombie has been resurrected: My understanding, from interviews with his daughter, is that Laurel lived pretty comfortably in his later years (partially 'cause of some real estate investments he’d made decades earlier?). He was certainly not in “lower-middle-class” financial straits. I have absolutely no idea how much money Stan Laurel had. Suffice it to say, he didn’t LIVE like a man with tons of money. He kept a pretty ordinary, non-descript apartment in Santa Monica. That COULD simply mean he was a man of simple tastes, and didn’t care to live in a mansion. At any rate, to the end, he had many rich and famous visitors (including Johnny Carson and Dick van Dyke) , and he had continuing offers to do TV or movie appearances (including _ **It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad World** _). If he’d been living in true squalor, I’m sure he’d have taken some of those offers, or sought help from his famous friends. So, if he lived in a fairly modest apartment, I have to figure it was by choice. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-laurel-and-hardy-or-abott-and-costello-hate-each-other/92854.md?page=2)