# Did Pelosi just un-invite Trump from the State of the Union? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 16, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898 "2019-01-16T22:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/181 "2019-01-17T20:15:51Z")
Nobody elected Ann Coulter to anything, so her opinions are moot. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/182 "2019-01-17T20:17:06Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Tragically, Anne Coulter has no Constitutional authority to negotiate with Pelosi, nor would Pelosi stoop so low. > > I thought the Constitution was important to you guys, now y’all want to declare a fake military emergency to send troops into Texas and steal private lands, as well as asking that the Speaker of the House negotiate with the President via private citizens. Some folks would gladly take a dump on the Constitution in exchange for a crisp $20 bill. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/183 "2019-01-17T20:19:21Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Tragically, Anne Coulter has no Constitutional authority to negotiate with Pelosi, nor would Pelosi stoop so low. > > I thought the Constitution was important to you guys, now y’all want to declare a fake military emergency to send troops into Texas and steal private lands, as well as asking that the Speaker of the House negotiate with the President via private citizens. Huh? What does the Constitution have to do with who Pelosi negotiates with? Ultimately, there are some steps that have to be followed for a bill, such as a bill funding government operations for the currently “shut down” departments, to become law, but in the interim, the Constitution is silent on the specifics of how President Trump or Pelosi negotiate a way out of the impasse. If he wanted to send Ivanka, or Melania, or Ann Coulter to work out the details, that’d be just fine. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/184 "2019-01-17T20:20:23Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Some folks would gladly take a dump on the Constitution in exchange for a crisp $20 bill. Some would do it for a Klondike Bar. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/185 "2019-01-17T20:21:03Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Some folks would gladly take a dump on the Constitution in exchange for a crisp $20 bill. That sounds like something I’d expect to see at a liberal protest. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/186 "2019-01-17T20:22:08Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Nobody elected Ann Coulter to anything, so her opinions are moot. Not if what SingleMalt said is true. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/187 "2019-01-17T20:22:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Huh? What does the Constitution have to do with who Pelosi negotiates with? Ultimately, there are some steps that have to be followed for a bill, such as a bill funding government operations for the currently “shut down” departments, to become law, but in the interim, the Constitution is silent on the specifics of how President Trump or Pelosi negotiate a way out of the impasse. If he wanted to send Ivanka, or Melania, or Ann Coulter to work out the details, that’d be just fine. He would have to appoint them. Since Anne Coulter isn’t appointed to shit, Ditka, she doesn’t represent the President in any capacity. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/188 "2019-01-17T20:24:31Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > He would have to appoint them. Since Anne Coulter isn’t appointed to shit, Ditka, she doesn’t represent the President in any capacity. To talk with Pelosi? I think you’re confused. Is there some specific provision in the Constitution where this “appointment” requirement is established? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/189 "2019-01-17T20:25:18Z")
I am glad I don’t belong to a political party that is upset by Pelosi’s political move to halt the SOTU, but has no problem with a president that allows a commentator to overrule himself and the senate. Not me, no thanks. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/190 "2019-01-17T20:27:27Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I am glad I don’t belong to a political party that is upset by Pelosi’s political move to halt the SOTU, but has no problem with a president that allows a commentator to overrule himself and the senate. Not me, no thanks. I think you and I could perhaps agree that SingleMalt is, in fact, quite wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/191 "2019-01-17T20:33:08Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That sounds like something I’d expect to see at a liberal protest. [trying out a new way of arguing]That’s interesting. Do you have a cite that this has ever happened at a liberal protest? Or are you simply expecting that based on no evidence at all? Be prepared for my next dozen posts to be nitpicking your lack of cite for this claim. [/trying out a new way of arguing] ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/192 "2019-01-17T20:35:10Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That sounds like something I’d expect to see at a liberal protest. I’m sure you would expect that. I can’t say I’m surprised by what you’d expect. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/193 "2019-01-17T20:36:38Z")
Trump is striking back now: [https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/17/politics/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-trip-cancel/index.html](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/17/politics/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-trip-cancel/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/194 "2019-01-17T20:37:40Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [trying out a new way of arguing]That’s interesting. Do you have a cite that this has ever happened at a liberal protest? Or are you simply expecting that based on no evidence at all? > > Be prepared for my next dozen posts to be nitpicking your lack of cite for this claim. > [/trying out a new way of arguing] You’re off to a bad start. “That sounds like something I’d expect …” is not a claim that that particular thing has happened. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/195 "2019-01-17T20:40:55Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > To talk with Pelosi? I think you’re confused. Is there some specific provision in the Constitution where this “appointment” requirement is established? Since you asked… > [@](#): > > 2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, \*\*shall appoint \*\*Ambassadors, **other public Ministers and Consuls** , Judges of the supreme Court, **and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for** , and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/196 "2019-01-17T20:46:11Z")
Seriously, arguing that one can negotiate with un-appointed entities is not at all how this world works, or has ever worked. But, go ahead. Negotiate with me a lower phone bill, then take that to your service provider, see if they agree I have authority. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/197 "2019-01-17T20:47:19Z")
“I want to buy that house.” “I don’t own it.” “Doesn’t matter - I’m negotiating with YOU!” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/198 "2019-01-17T20:47:42Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Since you asked… That’s a hard fail right there. I know the President can make appointments to a variety of official positions. That’s not what I asked. I asked you if there was any requirement that the person who meets with Pelosi to work out a resolution to the shutdown be appointed. I contend that the President could send Barron with a folded-up note like something straight out of middle school: “Hey Nancy, would you go out with me for $2.5B of wall funding” and that Pelosi could fold up her own little note and send it back to the President via Barron “No, but I’d do it for an even $2B” and that this form of negotiation, if it were acceptable to both parties, would not run afoul of the Constitution. Do you agree or disagree? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/199 "2019-01-17T20:48:21Z")
“I would like the fried chicken.” “We don’t sell that, sir.” “Let me call Popeye’s HQ and complain then!” “Sir, this is an iHop.” “So? I’m negotiating with _you_!” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/200 "2019-01-17T20:49:22Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That’s a hard fail right there. I know the President can make appointments to a variety of official positions. That’s not what I asked. I asked you if there was any requirement that the person who meets with Pelosi to work out a resolution to the shutdown be appointed. > > I contend that the \*\*President could send Barron \*\*with a folded-up note like something straight out of middle school: “Hey Nancy, would you go out with me for $2.5B of wall funding” and that Pelosi could fold up her own little note and send it back to the President via Barron “No, but I’d do it for an even $2B” and that if this form of negotiation, if it were acceptable to both parties, would not run afoul of the Constitution. Do you agree or disagree? But in your example, the President _appointed_ Barron to negotiate with Pelosi. And in this example, Barron isn’t even negotiating - he’s just a courier. I mean, can’t you come up with an example that actually describes your position? Because your position is this: “I negotiated with Anne Coulter!” “So? I didn’t tell you to. She doesn’t represent me. Where’d you get that idea?” “Somebody on a message board told me I can negotiate with unappointed negotiators, so… oh. Dammit.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=11)