# Did Pelosi just un-invite Trump from the State of the Union? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 16, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898 "2019-01-16T22:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/201 "2019-01-17T20:53:18Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That’s a hard fail right there. I know the President can make appointments to a variety of official positions. That’s not what I asked. I asked you if there was any requirement that the person who meets with Pelosi to work out a resolution to the shutdown be appointed. > > I contend that the President could send Barron with a folded-up note like something straight out of middle school: “Hey Nancy, would you go out with me for $2.5B of wall funding” and that Pelosi could fold up her own little note and send it back to the President via Barron “No, but I’d do it for an even $2B” and that this form of negotiation, if it were acceptable to both parties, would not run afoul of the Constitution. Do you agree or disagree? That’s a fail. She wouldn’t be negotiating with Barron, he’s merely carrying the note. She’s still negotiating with the Howling Yam. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/202 "2019-01-17T21:02:39Z")
Trump denies Pelosi use of military aircraft: [https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-trip-cancel/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F](https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-trip-cancel/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/203 "2019-01-17T21:06:40Z")
SingleMalt made the claim that “There is little point in meeting with Trump, as he has demonstrated that he is willing to renege on any deal that Ann Coulter disapproves of.” I think it’s a pretty absurd claim, and one for which he didn’t provide any evidence, but he’s on Team D AFAICT, so presumably you believe him. If you really think Ann Coulter’s blessing is a necessary precondition to getting a deal with President Trump, it’s not such a wild and crazy idea to go have a sit-down with Ann Coulter and find out what she thinks is acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/204 "2019-01-17T21:09:28Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > SingleMalt made the claim that “There is little point in meeting with Trump, as he has demonstrated that he is willing to renege on any deal that Ann Coulter disapproves of.” I think it’s a pretty absurd claim… I’m not sure it’s “absurd” given that it’s a factual claim about his behavior that’s supported by his actual behavior. Or did you mean that the behavior itself was absurd? In which case I agree. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/205 "2019-01-17T21:11:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > SingleMalt made the claim that “There is little point in meeting with Trump, as he has demonstrated that he is willing to renege on any deal that Ann Coulter disapproves of.” I think it’s a pretty absurd claim, and one for which he didn’t provide any evidence, but he’s on Team D AFAICT, so presumably you believe him. If you really think Ann Coulter’s blessing is a necessary precondition to getting a deal with President Trump, it’s not such a wild and crazy idea to go have a sit-down with Ann Coulter and find out what she thinks is acceptable. Try to negotiate with the CFO of Sprint a lower phone bill and see if he thinks returning your calls is worth his time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/206 "2019-01-17T21:13:09Z")
At the end of the day, Trump has to sign that damn thing. That’s required. The events on December 20-22 should make it abundantly clear that even if Trump has appointed a team of negotiators, has announced that those negotiators represent him, and has agreed publicly and privately to everything the negotiators say at all stages, that he could still pull the rug out by not signing and there’s not one thing those “negotiators” can do to stop him. So no matter who he sends to the party on his behalf, the negotiator is Trump. Now, for a normal president we could blur definitions, because we might expect a normal president to go along with whatever a party of negotiators comes up with if he says he will. So we could say that those negotiators have the (unofficial) power to speak on his behalf. But trusting that is a fool’s errand with Trump, because he can (and as shown, will) upend everything until his own signature makes that impossible for him. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/207 "2019-01-17T21:14:23Z")
Тяцmр strikes back, quoting from The Guardian just a couple of minutes ago: > [@](#): > > White House press secretary Sarah Sanders has posted a letter saying that Trump will refuse to provide military aircraft for Pelosi to travel abroad to Brussels, Egypt and Afghanistan because of the shutdown. The military is not affected by the shutdown. > He has said Pelosi can still travel commercial if the highest ranking woman in American history still wishes to visit Afghanistan. No, WE do not govern by temper tanТяцmр! This is becoming interesting… ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/208 "2019-01-17T21:15:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Former felons (their preferred term is “returning citizens”) will be able to vote in Florida next time. All 1.5 million of them. Lovely demographic for the dims to covet so highly. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/209 "2019-01-17T21:18:45Z")
Who’s “Tjschmp”? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/210 "2019-01-17T21:20:28Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Lovely demographic for the dims to covet so highly. Well, the Racists, Rednecks, and Russians coalition government we currently have is not doing a good job, so why not try Convicts, Communists, and Cortez? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/211 "2019-01-17T21:20:38Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Who’s “Tjschmp”? Тяцmр, not Tjschmp. That’s written Mock Russian for “Trump”. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/212 "2019-01-17T21:22:56Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Тяцmр, not Tjschmp. > That’s written Mock Russian for “Trump”. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/213 "2019-01-17T21:25:18Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Lovely demographic for the dims to covet so highly. You don’t believe in serving time and starting over? I’m sure Trump’s supporters will appreciate the chance. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/214 "2019-01-17T21:30:56Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Lovely demographic for the dims to covet so highly. Assuming you mean “The Democrat Party”, do please be aware of [who they are](https://secondchancesfl.org/) - overwhelmingly black, [including 20 percent of all adult blacks in the state](https://www.npr.org/2018/11/07/665031366/over-a-million-florida-ex-felons-win-right-to-vote-with-amendment-4). The ban law was enacted as part of Jim Crow, so it includes a requirement for Massa in the Governor’s Office to approve a restoration of rights (and you can guess what Scott’s record there was). Also, please be aware of the low threshold for a crime to be a felony in Florida, and of the large racial disparities in sentencing that persist even today. Some of us still believe in justice over partisan advantage, and that includes the two-thirds of Florida voters who approved the amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/215 "2019-01-17T21:33:00Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You don’t believe in serving time and starting over? I’m sure Trump’s supporters will appreciate the chance. I suspect that Trump himself will appreciate the chance. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/216 "2019-01-17T21:49:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > That’s not what I asked. I asked you if there was any requirement that the person who meets with Pelosi to work out a resolution to the shutdown be appointed. > > I contend that the President could send Barron with a folded-up note like something straight out of middle school: “Hey Nancy, would you go out with me for $2.5B of wall funding” and that Pelosi could fold up her own little note and send it back to the President via Barron “No, but I’d do it for an even $2B” and that this form of negotiation, if it were acceptable to both parties, would not run afoul of the Constitution. Do you agree or disagree? The Federal Government is generally prohibited from accepting volunteer services from private citizens, especially when it relates to “core” government functions. There are, however, numerous exceptions. Which specific exception do you believe allows the President to have his underage son act as an agent of the Executive Branch? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/217 "2019-01-17T21:55:14Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You’re off to a bad start. “That sounds like something I’d expect …” is not a claim that that particular thing has happened. Ah, so you’re expecting it with no basis at all. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but some people like to have opinions that are supported by evidence, and I was curious if that was how you formed your opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/218 "2019-01-17T21:56:04Z")
Since Anne torpedoed the last agreement, it wouldn’t be the worst idea to find out what she would agree to. Of course, since Trump is the one who cares about her opinion, he should probably be the one checking and then negotiating accordingly. Of course, to large extent that is what is happening. Anne says “wall or bust” and Trump is dancing to that tune. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/219 "2019-01-17T21:58:30Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Which specific exception do you believe allows the President to have his underage son act as an agent of the Executive Branch? Is there an exception for being smarter, less criminal, and more mature than the President? If so, I pick that one. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/220 "2019-01-17T21:58:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Lovely demographic for the dims to covet so highly. This reveals a thoroughly rotten view of how democracy should work: rather than governing in a way that respects human rights, you govern like you’re playing a Euro-style board game where you try to collect the most meeples in your scoring area. Demographics don’t get “coveted” by folks who want good government. And a person who can only see politics through this filthy lens can never make politics better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=12)