# Did Pelosi just un-invite Trump from the State of the Union? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 16, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898 "2019-01-16T22:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/221 "2019-01-17T22:05:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > SingleMalt made the claim that “There is little point in meeting with Trump, as he has demonstrated that he is willing to renege on any deal that Ann Coulter disapproves of.” I think it’s a pretty absurd claim, and one for which he didn’t provide any evidence… Here’s some evidence: > [@](#): > > As you may recall, Donald Trump stumbled into the current partial government shutdown in December after right-wing gabbers scorned him for signaling he might back down from his earlier boasts about being willing to close the government if his border-wall demands weren’t satisfied. Two voices were especially influential, as the Washington Post observed at the time: > > > [@](#): > > > > On his radio show Wednesday, Limbaugh said the president was “getting ready to cave” on getting money for the wall in the budget. > > > > ``` > > “It’s a textbook example of what the drive-by media calls compromise,” Limbaugh said. “Trump gets nothing, and the Democrats get everything, including control of the House.” > > > > ``` > > > [@](#): > > > > Coulter, during a podcast on the Daily Caller, said Trump’s White House would become “a joke presidency that scammed the American people” if he didn’t build the wall, adding that “he’ll have no legacy whatsoever.” She also wrote a scathing column about the president and launched a flurry of criticisms on Twitter. > > SOURCE: [Coulter and Limbaugh Keep Pressure Up on Trump to Hang Tough](http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/coulter-and-limbaugh-keep-pressure-up-on-trump-to-hang-tough.html) And… > [@](#): > > Fox News political analyst Juan Williams on Wednesday said that Fox News host Sean Hannity, radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh and conservative commentator Ann Coulter were essentially running the U.S. government. > > “I’ll tell you what you should do. You should go listen to Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, because they’re running this government,” Williams, who is a columnist for The Hill, said in an exchange with GOP strategist Karl Rove in an appearance on “The Story” on Fox News. > > SOURCE: [https://thehill.com/homenews/media/425799-juan-williams-on-fox-hannity-limbaugh-and-coulter-are-running-this-government](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/425799-juan-williams-on-fox-hannity-limbaugh-and-coulter-are-running-this-government) ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/222 "2019-01-17T22:18:54Z")
One more: > **[Right-Wing Media Has Taken Over the Trump White House](https://www.gq.com/story/trump-fox-news-government-shutdown)** > > The President cares what the pundits say—and now they're screaming "shutdown." ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/223 "2019-01-17T22:25:44Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Ah, so you’re expecting it with no basis at all. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but some people like to have opinions that are supported by evidence, and I was curious if that was how you formed your opinions. It’s an opinion driven by other shenanigans I’ve seen at liberal protests. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/224 "2019-01-17T22:32:03Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Here’s some evidence: > > And… > [@SingleMalt](#): > > One more: > [https://www.gq.com/story/trump-fox-news-government-shutdown](https://www.gq.com/story/trump-fox-news-government-shutdown) I don’t think a handful of opinion pieces really count as “evidence” of much, except that some other libs share your opinion, but, granting for purposes of this post that perhaps SingleMalt is right and “he is willing to renege on any deal that Ann Coulter disapproves of”, doesn’t that just bring us back to the point that I made earlier: > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Maybe she should meet with Ann Coulter then. Let the women hammer out a compromise? Do you see that as substantially different from Juan Williams’ opinion (“I’ll tell you what you should do. You should go listen to Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, because they’re running this government”)? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/225 "2019-01-17T22:39:30Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t think a handful of opinion pieces really count as “evidence” of much, except that some other libs share your opinion, but, granting for purposes of this post that perhaps SingleMalt is right and “he is willing to renege on any deal that Ann Coulter disapproves of”, doesn’t that just bring us back to the point that I made earlier: > > Do you see that as substantially different from Juan Williams’ opinion (“I’ll tell you what you should do. You should go listen to Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, because they’re running this government”)? So, IOW, the fact that Trump reneged on the deal AFTER Limbaugh and Coulter screamed and squalled about it…is just an amazing coincidence? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/226 "2019-01-17T22:47:13Z")
No, because that’s what actually happened. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/227 "2019-01-17T23:02:16Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > So, IOW, the fact that Trump reneged on the deal AFTER Limbaugh and Coulter screamed and squalled about it…is just an amazing coincidence? :dubious: What “deal” are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Erudite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Ancient\_Erudite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Erudite)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/228 "2019-01-17T23:03:16Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Since Speaker of the House is trying to re-schedule the State of the Union address, it’s safe to assume that the invitation has already been sent, and accepted. Pelosi is trying to claim it’s now a security issue, but the Secret Service says they weren’t even questioned about the SotU security. It sounds as if Pelosi is more concerned about her own personal security than providing border security for voters in the U.S… > > Pelosi is in a position to withdraw the House’s invitation. Of course, that would make Pelosi even more petty than she is, but that’s her choice. The President is not required to use the floor of the House to present a SotU address. Pelosi’s gambit will guarantee even more public interest for this SotU address if only to discover what Pelosi is so afraid of hearing. > > Sent from my Apple IIe using Fingerpokin That ball is out of the park and still hasn’t landed. Perfectly stated. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/229 "2019-01-17T23:21:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It’s an opinion driven by other shenanigans I’ve seen at liberal protests. Ah, so, what shenanigans have you seen that would lead you to expect to see someone literally shit on the constitution? [isn’t this fun?] ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/230 "2019-01-17T23:23:53Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > What “deal” are you referring to? I believe he’s talking about the bill that was unanimously agreed to in the Senate(and I think the House?) to keep government open until February. What exception to the prohibition on volunteer services to the Government allows Barron to negotiate deals? > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It’s an opinion driven by other shenanigans I’ve seen at liberal protests. Which liberal protest did you attend? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/231 "2019-01-17T23:24:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This reveals a thoroughly rotten view of how democracy should work: rather than governing in a way that respects human rights, you govern like you’re playing a Euro-style board game where you try to collect the most meeples in your scoring area. > > Demographics don’t get “coveted” by folks who want good government. And a person who can only see politics through this filthy lens can never make politics better. Politics is a game for power. Pretending it isn’t serves what purpose? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/232 "2019-01-17T23:29:59Z")
I’m still fascinated by the novel concept of being able to negotiate with unauthorized agents. Holy hell, this would make things so simple. “Why did you give me an ‘F’?” “Because you didn’t answer a single question.” “Well, I talked about this with my invisible friend Ms. Roofus and she says I deserve an ‘A’, so give me the A.” “OK.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/233 "2019-01-17T23:33:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I think you’re missing the entire context, which is _ **Trump’s character** _. Remember: this is the “President” whose biggest contrubution to the planning of America’s giant military was “Me wants me a big parade like Kim Jong-il gets!” This is the man who, rather than writing essays for publication, appears in a Dixieland cowfield before his high-school dropout supporters and [hired shills](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/07/crowd-hiring-politics-campaign-2016/399002/). Standing and farting in the dais of the House Chamber, turning around to smirk at Pelosi whenever he insults her with full knowledge that the Dems ([unlike Gopsters](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81CVSzPBO1w)) will remain civil — this would be a very happy day for him and the mindless Trumpsters. > > Baby wanted to shit on the nation’s most famous dome and brag “Look what I can do!” Pelosi denies him that opportunity. What’s hard to understand? No, I get _that_ part. I get that Trump wanted to deliver the SOTU right there, and she told him ‘no’, and, _ooh, that’s gotta sting._ That makes perfect sense. But the next part only makes sense if he was going to reply, ‘Well, okay, then: tell the networks that, once more, The President has Big Important Things To Say and so will address the nation from The White House.’ I have to assume that — and assume that he would’ve been pretty happy about that — and also assume that, instead, oh, it sure did ‘eat him up’ when Pelosi said he could do that if he wants. That’s what I don’t get: telling him he can’t do what he wants, sure; but telling him he _can_ do what he wants? That, as someone said, will “eat him up”? Seriously? Look, I don’t really know you — but if you ever decide you really want a guy to stop posting on this board, I figure you’d maybe report some of his objectionable posts to the powers that be. I _don’t,_ though, figure you’d say “hey, you can post here if you want,” in hopes that it’d Eat Him Up, because — is that a _thing?_ ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/234 "2019-01-17T23:36:29Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Ah, so, what shenanigans have you seen that would lead you to expect to see someone literally shit on the constitution? > > [isn’t this fun?] A few years ago, “someone literally shit on the” flag. I know, I know, the flag and the Constitution are not the same, but given that the former happened, it’s not difficult for me to imagine some dumb liberal doing it to the latter as well, at least if they thought their bit of “performance art” would pack a similar punch. Here’s a (NSFW) link: [https://americatimes.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/leftist-protester-defecates-on-american-flag/](https://americatimes.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/leftist-protester-defecates-on-american-flag/) > [@](#): > > **Flag Desecration: A leftist protester defecates on a burning American flag** > > RALLY: The Rally March and Peace Action Camp to Stop The War! > WHERE: South Park Blocks (SW Madison St. and Park Ave), Portland > TIME: Sunday, March 18, 2007 ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/235 "2019-01-17T23:36:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Politics is a game for power. Pretending it isn’t serves what purpose? Oh, OK. 12:01 P.M. Eastern Time, January 20, 2021: Let the Great Purge begin! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/236 "2019-01-17T23:41:04Z")
OK, **octopus** , let’s try to start with the basics, and see how far we can get. Is democracy a good thing, yes or no? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/237 "2019-01-17T23:43:54Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I believe he’s talking about the bill that was unanimously agreed to in the Senate(and I think the House?) to keep government open until February. … So was there never a “deal” with Trump? If that’s the case, do you think it’s accurate to say “Trump reneged on the deal”? > [@Ravenman](#): > > … What exception to the prohibition on volunteer services to the Government allows Barron to negotiate deals? … Where is the prohibition on volunteer services found? Is it in the Constitution? Here’s a refresher for you: The post I responded to said this (in part): > [@JohnT](#): > > Tragically, Anne Coulter has no Constitutional authority to negotiate with Pelosi, nor would Pelosi stoop so low. > > I thought the Constitution was important to you guys… And my post about that said this: > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Huh? What does the Constitution have to do with who Pelosi negotiates with? Ultimately, there are some steps that have to be followed for a bill, such as a bill funding government operations for the currently “shut down” departments, to become law, but in the interim, the Constitution is silent on the specifics of how President Trump or Pelosi negotiate a way out of the impasse. If he wanted to send Ivanka, or Melania, or Ann Coulter to work out the details, that’d be just fine. > [@Ravenman](#): > > … Which liberal protest did you attend? None, I’ve just seen pictures and videos. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/238 "2019-01-17T23:50:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > A few years ago, “someone literally shit on the” flag. I know, I know, the flag and the Constitution are not the same, but given that the former happened, it’s not difficult for me to imagine some dumb liberal doing it to the latter as well, at least if they thought their bit of “performance art” would pack a similar punch. > > Here’s a (NSFW) link: > > [https://americatimes.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/leftist-protester-defecates-on-american-flag/](https://americatimes.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/leftist-protester-defecates-on-american-flag/) Sorry, but that’s bullshit. [It’s a well established fact that it’s impossible to defecate on an American flag.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI0hvm10AHo) (Link is also NSFW) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/239 "2019-01-17T23:52:59Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Sorry, but that’s bullshit. [It’s a well established fact that it’s impossible to defecate on an American flag.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI0hvm10AHo) > > (Link is also NSFW) There was also [the OWS protester that took a dump on a police car](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-Shocking-photos-protester-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html), so it’s become something of a pattern with leftists. ETA: **LHoD** , you still having fun? ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/240 "2019-01-18T00:04:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > There was also [the OWS protester that took a dump on a police car](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-Shocking-photos-protester-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html), so it’s become something of a pattern with leftists. Have you looked to see if there’s any kind of pattern in rightists behavior? You know, to be fair and balanced? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=13)