# Did Pelosi just un-invite Trump from the State of the Union? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 16, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898 "2019-01-16T22:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/321 "2019-01-18T18:35:53Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Who cares? Presumably the people posting in this thread. I’d still be interested in hearing your thoughts on Pelosi’s actions: > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > S… I am interested in hearing your honest opinion about Pelosi’s actions. If you don’t think it was petty / “sophomoric”, do you think it was a brilliant bit of hard-nosed politicking? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/322 "2019-01-18T18:36:00Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Senator Graham called both Nancy’s suggestion to cancel the SOTU and President Trump’s cancelling of the Dems CODEL “sophomoric”. I’m not so much interested in what you think about Senator Graham, as I am interested in hearing your honest opinion about Pelosi’s actions. If you don’t think it was petty / “sophomoric”, do you think it was a brilliant bit of hard-nosed politicking? I think Trump has behaved in a sophomoric (that is a mild word for it) manner his entire term, especially with his current temper tantrum holding the government hostage. I think Pelosi wants the government to reopen and when your “negotiating” partner is behaving like a spoiled 3 year old, there is little choice but employ the same tactics one would when dealing with an actual spoiled 3 year old. No dessert tonight, or no TV time today, or in this case no SOTU speech until we have an actual functioning government. I think that is not only reasonable but pretty much the only way to deal with this kind of behavior from Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/323 "2019-01-18T18:37:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Presumably the people posting in this thread. > > I’d still be interested in hearing your thoughts on Pelosi’s actions: So who’s opinion in this thread do you think this will effect? Anyone? And relax I was typing it up and just replied. I can see you’re all tingly thinking you’re setting me up for something, but you are once again going to be disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/324 "2019-01-18T18:37:48Z")
“I have confidence in my team” does not necessarily cancel “Their bosses made a declaration that the SOTU is a heightened security risk” as an explanation, but it’s a nice try to paint it as that. Not working, but a valiant effort. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/325 "2019-01-18T18:38:49Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > **Airbeck** , > > Yesterday, [Senator Lindsay Graham called Pelosi’s letter on the SOTU (the original topic of this thread) a “sophomoric response”](https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1085990336462315520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1085990336462315520%7Ctwgr%5E363937393b636f6e74726f6c&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheweek.com%2Fspeedreads%2F818407%2Fgop-sen-lindsey-graham-says-trump-canceling-pelosis-overseas-trip-sophomoric-inappropriate). Do you more-or-less agree that it was a rather childish / petty / juvenile / etc act? As I said above, what Pelosi is doing is but a breadcrumb in Trump’s shit-filled pigsty of daily, petty childishness. Over and over again Graham can turn a blind eye to Trump’s incessant infantile behavior, and now he’s getting the vapors over this? Really? And you’re so desperate that’ll you’ll buy into it too? Just give it up already. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/326 "2019-01-18T18:39:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by \*\*HurricaneDitka \*\* > If you don’t think it was petty / “sophomoric”, do you think it was a brilliant bit of hard-nosed politicking? Another vote for brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/327 "2019-01-18T18:39:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [Nancy Pelosi shifts reasoning on State of Union speech delay](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/17/pelosi-shifts-reasoning-state-union-speech-shutdow/) > > It seems that she realizes her professed “security concerns” were not well-founded. Using the Washington Moonie Times is already grounds to dismiss the “point”. Still the underlying reason why he was not invited is clear to many: [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/16/nancy-pelosi-sotu-invite-donald-trump-history-224021](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/16/nancy-pelosi-sotu-invite-donald-trump-history-224021) > [@](#): > > As Pelosi’s defenders will be quick to point out, however, we have never had a president more careless, if not eager, to smash just about every other symbol of comity and civility he can find. When Clinton spoke to Congress—the legislative body that had just impeached him—he began by congratulating the new (Republican) speaker and said: “Mr. Speaker, at your swearing-in, you asked us all to work together in a spirit of civility and bipartisanship. Mr. Speaker, let’s do exactly that.” > > It is no exaggeration to say that for this president, there is no occasion when civility and bipartisanship are not excess weight to be thrown over the side. In his first days in office, he used a CIA ceremony honoring fallen agents to brag about the election. When he spoke to U.S. troops overseas recently, he attacked Democrats. He has assailed institutions from his own Justice Department to the FBI to the press by attacking their honesty and their patriotism. And in so doing, he has managed to engender among his critics the belief that he is not just wrong on policy, but—in the words of former CIA Director John Brennan—a clear and present danger to our national security. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/328 "2019-01-18T18:40:43Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > As I said above, what Pelosi is doing is but a breadcrumb in Trump’s shit-filled pigsty of daily, petty childishness. > > Over and over again Graham can turn a blind eye to Trump’s incessant infantile behavior, and now he’s getting the vapors over this? Really? And you’re so desperate that’ll you’ll buy into it too? Just give it up already. Don’t forget, the GOP is that party that supports “Grab them by the pussy” but gets in a dither about the word “motherfucker”, even though… thinking about it… fucking moms generally involve pussies as well, so I’m now just confused. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/329 "2019-01-18T18:44:08Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > the person who has absolute authority over one branch I assume you’re referring to the Executive Branch. There is no such person. (See post #303.) Sorry to keep bursting your bubble. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/330 "2019-01-18T18:47:28Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I am interested in hearing your honest opinion about Pelosi’s actions. That assertion would be easier to accept if it were accompanied by your own honest opinion about what she should have done instead. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/331 "2019-01-18T18:47:38Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [Nancy Pelosi shifts reasoning on State of Union speech delay](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/17/pelosi-shifts-reasoning-state-union-speech-shutdow/) > > It seems that she realizes her professed “security concerns” were not well-founded. There’s a shocker. Politicians doing things for political reasons with a fig leaf for cover. The real surprise here is you thought Pelosi and Trump were both serious about their reasons. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/332 "2019-01-18T18:51:15Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yesterday, [Senator Lindsay Graham called Pelosi’s letter on the SOTU (the original topic of this thread) a “sophomoric response”](https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1085990336462315520). Do you more-or-less agree that it was a rather childish / petty / juvenile / etc act? Holding the budget of the Chess Club in abeyance until it met your demand to hold a Round Robin rather than a Swiss System tournament would be sophomoric. Doing something similar with the **entire U.S. government** because you lacked the guts to stand up to _Ann freakin’ Coulter_, OTOH, isn’t sophomoric, it’s _sociopathic_. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/333 "2019-01-18T18:52:30Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [Nancy Pelosi shifts reasoning on State of Union speech delay](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/17/pelosi-shifts-reasoning-state-union-speech-shutdow/) > > It seems that she realizes her professed “security concerns” were not well-founded. Have you ever had more than one reason for taking a position on an issue? ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/334 "2019-01-18T19:08:03Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > There’s a shocker. Politicians doing things for political reasons with a fig leaf for cover. > > The real surprise here is you thought Pelosi and Trump were both serious about their reasons. The craven, shameless hypocrisy, however, is no real surprise. EVERYTHING that Trump does is solely motivated by his personal political and financial gain. He doesn’t give a shit about actually running the country. EVERYONE in his administration exploits this for political gain. He has been debasing the presidency constantly for the past two years, acting like a four-year-old, solely serving his own personal gain, and all through this, they say, “Oh, that’s just Trump. Don’t mind him.” All the while, they’re raiding the til. The parents won’t discipline their own child, so Pelosi comes along and gives him the political slap in the butt that he deserves, and opportunistic political hacks like Graham are trying to frame it as “sophomoric”? That’s rich. She really doesn’t need to give a reason. Someone just needs to discipline this spoiled brat. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/335 "2019-01-18T19:20:08Z")
[ALL Congressional travel shut down by OMB.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-shutdown-omb-shuts-down-all-congressional-travel-until-government-reopens/) How vindictive can this asshole get? I didn’t notice any restrictions on the Executive branch when it comes to travel. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/336 "2019-01-18T19:22:24Z")
Melanie flew to Palm Beach last night, I heard. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/337 "2019-01-18T19:24:29Z")
Can we close the McDonald’s closest to the White House? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/338 "2019-01-18T19:29:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [ALL Congressional travel shut down by OMB.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-shutdown-omb-shuts-down-all-congressional-travel-until-government-reopens/) How vindictive can this asshole get? I didn’t notice any restrictions on the Executive branch when it comes to travel. [Melania Trump Took Government Jet to Florida After Donald Trump Postponed Nancy Pelosi’s Afghanistan Trip: Report](https://www.newsweek.com/melania-trump-took-government-jet-florida-after-donald-trump-postponed-nancy-1297668) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/339 "2019-01-18T19:38:03Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > So who’s opinion in this thread do you think this will effect? Anyone? … I doubt it changed anyone’s mind. > [@Airbeck](#): > > … And relax I was typing it up and just replied. I can see you’re all tingly thinking you’re setting me up for something, but you are once again going to be disappointed. It wasn’t a set-up, and I wasn’t the least bit agitated. I just wanted to hear your thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/340 "2019-01-18T19:46:46Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I doubt it changed anyone’s mind. > It wasn’t a set-up, and I wasn’t the least bit agitated. I just wanted to hear your thoughts. Exactly right. Ok well you got them. You seemed pretty eager for me to respond so I was wondering why my thoughts were so important. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=18)