# Did Pelosi just un-invite Trump from the State of the Union? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 16, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898 "2019-01-16T22:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/41 "2019-01-17T01:50:03Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Pelosi’s an idiot. All Trump needs to do is give his speech on TV from the White House, maybe even the Oval Office, then hand a document to the House. Fox will televise him and if no one else does they’ll get huge ratings. He could even pre-record it so Fox can have their bletherers properly primed. He might even reference the camera operator by name during the speech and then at the end ask the camera operator to deliver a copy of the video to the House - it doesn’t have to be on paper, does it? > > Anyway, Jan 29th is 2 years +8 days, isn’t it? So I wonder if it will be Pence giving the address? Nah, I don’t think so. Trump has painted himself into a corner with a shutdown that he owns, and a shutdown that is highly unpopular, even among some part of his base. Moreover, Pelosi is the Speaker of the House, and as such, she can continue to propose and author bills to reopen the government. Again, and again, and again. And it goes to Mitch McConnell’s senate, where it gets blocked again, and again. Why? Because McConnell won’t send a bill to the president knowing that it will get vetoed and then overridden. McConnell knows that if the president is overridden, it’s possibly the kiss of death. Pelosi has the advantage of knowing why this whole shutdown started in the first place – because Trump reacted to Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter, a bunch of unaccountable right wing shock jocks. Pelosi knows that Trump is trapped between his base and mounting public opinion. She’s going to shock his testicles again and again. There’s a reason she’s Speaker, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/42 "2019-01-17T01:52:28Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > Assuming there is a near-fixed and devoted Trump base of around 40 percent, and that Republican gerrymandering has been effective, the Democrats are in a precarious position. They need essentially complete support from the non-Trumpites. > > Anything they can do to woo even some of his base could have huge effect at the electoral level. > > The Democrats already have all the Trump haters in their pocket. **The only way they are sure to succeed from here is to convert some of the pro-Trump camp to their side.** No. The number of voting-eligible Americans who didn’t vote in 2016 dwarfs the number who voted for Trump. Those are the votes to go after. The Trump-fans are unreachable. It doesn’t matter what concessions might be made to them or what flattery might be offered them or what deference might be shown to them. They are unreachable by Democrats. (my bolding) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/43 "2019-01-17T01:56:41Z")
Trump rode into office after being completely played by Russia. Then he had 2 years of not facing pushback at all. I hope this is the beginning of 2 years of Trump being played like a fiddle by American politicians a thousand times as experienced as him. And smarter, too. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/44 "2019-01-17T01:59:38Z")
**Originally Posted by KarlGauss:** Assuming there is a near-fixed and devoted Trump base of around 40 percent, and that Republican gerrymandering has been effective, the Democrats are in a precarious position. They need essentially complete support from the non-Trumpites. Anything they can do to woo even some of his base could have huge effect at the electoral level. The Democrats already have all the Trump haters in their pocket. The only way they are sure to succeed from here is to convert some of the pro-Trump camp to their side. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > No. The number of voting-eligible Americans who didn’t vote in 2016 dwarfs the number who voted for Trump. > > Those are the votes to go after. > > The Trump-fans are unreachable. It doesn’t matter what concessions might be made to them or what flattery might be offered them or what deference might be shown to them. They are unreachable by Democrats. > > (my bolding) The key word in my post was ‘sure’, as in ‘sure to succeed’. It seems those who didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 were insufficient in number and/or electoral district to stop him. Another source of votes is required (to be ‘sure’). ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/45 "2019-01-17T02:09:40Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Anyway, Jan 29th is 2 years +8 days, isn’t it? So I wonder if it will be Pence giving the address? Did you mistake Jan. 29th for Feb. 29th? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/46 "2019-01-17T02:10:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Since Speaker of the House is trying to re-schedule the State of the Union address, it’s safe to assume that the invitation has already been sent, and accepted. Pelosi is trying to claim it’s now a security issue, but the Secret Service says they weren’t even questioned about the SotU security. It sounds as if Pelosi is more concerned about her own personal security than providing border security for voters in the U.S… > > Pelosi is in a position to withdraw the House’s invitation. Of course, that would make Pelosi even more petty than she is, but that’s her choice. The President is not required to use the floor of the House to present a SotU address. Pelosi’s gambit will guarantee even more public interest for this SotU address if only to discover what Pelosi is so afraid of hearing. > > Sent from my Apple IIe using Fingerpokin Impressive. Every word in that post was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/47 "2019-01-17T02:12:58Z")
I’d just like us to take a moment and remember that Pelosi has been re-Speaker-ed for less than two weeks. What nightmares await Trump for the remainder of their terms that coincide? Go, Nancy, go! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/48 "2019-01-17T02:51:52Z")
Nancy Pelosi is dominating Trump. It’s a political wrestling match, and she’s got his shoulders pinned. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/49 "2019-01-17T03:01:38Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Pelosi’s an idiot. All Trump needs to do is give his speech on TV from the White House, maybe even the Oval Office, then hand a document to the House. Fox will televise him and if no one else does they’ll get huge ratings. He could even pre-record it so Fox can have their bletherers properly primed. He might even reference the camera operator by name during the speech and then at the end ask the camera operator to deliver a copy of the video to the House - it doesn’t have to be on paper, does it? > > Anyway, Jan 29th is 2 years +8 days, isn’t it? So I wonder if it will be Pence giving the address? Pence and Donnie might each be giving the State of the Cellblock address at their respective institutions. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/50 "2019-01-17T03:10:10Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > I’d just like us to take a moment and remember that **Pelosi has been re-Speaker-ed for less than two weeks**. > > What nightmares await Trump for the remainder of their terms that coincide? > > Go, Nancy, go! Isn’t that something? Within 3 days of Dems assuming their responsibilities in the House, Republicans were already trying to smear them with being obstructionist over the border wall – completely ignoring the whole 2 years they controlled the House before that. There are just no words for the depth of the corruption of Republicans. Brava, Nancy Pelosi!!! ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/51 "2019-01-17T03:19:09Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > Is Pelosi being unnecessarily aggressive, at least in the minds of Trump supporters (including those in Government) who might become especially loyal to Trump as a result? “…minds…Trump supporters…” I can only laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/52 "2019-01-17T03:25:11Z")
I don’t know why anyone thinks this is an example of Pelosi pwning Trump. This is an act of mercy. Or extreme charity. When she and Schumer met with Trump in the Oval Office back in… Jesus, it feels like 2017 but I guess it was only a few weeks ago… she suggested that the cameras leave and they keep talking. Trump refused and was supremely embarrassed. Pelosi probably figures that Trump just doesn’t have the stamina to give a long speech at this point, even if he rode a golden golf cart down the center aisle of the House. Trump would probably just spend the 90 minutes groveling for Pelsoi to please please please build the wall or he will look bad, then probably start admitting things like the job is too hard and he doesn’t really want it anyway. Nobody wants to see Trump embarrass the country like that, so the only choice was for her to call it off. And believe me, if she didn’t, Trump would come up with a reason not to do it. Like have his White House physician announce that his bone spurs have returned, so the “doctor” is writing a doctors note addressed to Congress that excuses Trump from this silly tradition. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/53 "2019-01-17T03:25:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > OK, this, right here, is how you do it: Perfectly reasoned and polite, with full decorum, and yet leaving scorch marks where Trump’s balls used to be. > > And to think that people wonder why we keep Pelosi as Speaker. Very interesting choice of words there. Guess what? Trump can give the speech elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/54 "2019-01-17T03:32:12Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Very interesting choice of words there. Guess what? Trump can give the speech elsewhere. Guess what? Nancy told him to. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/55 "2019-01-17T03:37:59Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Guess what? Nancy told him to. And now he’s ballless? Nuts burned clear off. Disregarding the inappropriate sexual language I’m not seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/56 "2019-01-17T04:04:59Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The Trump-fans are unreachable These are people currently supporting concentration camps for children. It’s safe to say they’re not just unreachable, but that attempting to reach them demeans the reacher. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/57 "2019-01-17T04:06:16Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And now he’s ballless? Nuts burned clear off. Disregarding the inappropriate sexual language I’m not seeing it. Setting the metaphor aside, he’s going to have a hard time avoiding looking like he’s taking directions from her. The invitation to Congress is within her power to withhold, and her withholding it is clearly an unprecedented snub. My guess is he’ll go big, giving a State of the Union in Lubbock, Texas or somewhere, and shipping in 10,000 MAGA hats and acting like everything’s fine just fine. But even if you like Trump, you gotta admit this is the sort of move that is gonna piss him right the hell off. I read elsewhere that Pelosi is an experienced parent and this is parenting 101: if you throw a tantrum, no TV time for you. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/58 "2019-01-17T04:07:08Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Pelosi probably figures that Trump just doesn’t have the stamina to give a long speech at this point, even if he rode a golden golf cart down the center aisle of the House. Trump would probably just spend the 90 minutes groveling for Pelsoi to please please please build the wall or he will look bad, then probably start admitting things like the job is too hard and he doesn’t really want it anyway. > > Nobody wants to see Trump embarrass the country like that, so the only choice was for her to call it off. > > And believe me, if she didn’t, Trump would come up with a reason not to do it. Like have his White House physician announce that his bone spurs have returned, so the “doctor” is writing a doctors note addressed to Congress that excuses Trump from this silly tradition. Yeaaaaaaaaaah-okaaaaaaaaaaaay… Hey, I’m not saying you’re wrong, necessarily, but I do have to ask. Let me see, how do I put this: what in the hell are you talking about?! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/59 "2019-01-17T04:11:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And now he’s ballless? Nuts burned clear off. Disregarding the inappropriate sexual language I’m not seeing it. Of course you’re not. Metaphors are hard. And the kind of shit Pelosi is working right now is even harder. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/60 "2019-01-17T04:24:45Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And now he’s ballless? Nuts burned clear off. Disregarding the inappropriate sexual language I’m not seeing it. We have to assume that Trump thinks with his balls. That’s the only thing that can explain why he keeps saying he’d like to fuck his daughter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=4)