# Did Pelosi just un-invite Trump from the State of the Union? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 16, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898 "2019-01-16T22:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/141 "2019-01-17T17:01:30Z")
You don’t care about the speech, but you’ve posted how many times in a thread about the speech? Hmm. Your behavior seems to be telling another story. I think you are just mad that she’s running circles around Trump politically and he has totally fucked himself on this shutdown fight and its only getting worse every day. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/142 "2019-01-17T17:15:47Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You guys are being silly. There’s little doubt that security for the event could be handled. But it’s also fair to describe having a special high security event is an undue burden on security personnel who aren’t getting paid. There’s little doubt it “could be” handled. That conditional verb is important, though: with agencies furloughed, there IS doubt about whether it “has been” handled. Nielsen’s assurances to the contrary are exactly as unreliable as she is. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/143 "2019-01-17T17:16:56Z")
I like to follow the RCP aggregate poll graph: [https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president\_trump\_job\_approval-6179.html](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html) The current shutdown started Dec 22. It usually takes polls about a week to catch up with the news (they are reported by RCP after they are completed) If one looks at the Trump disapproval line starting Dec 30 to date, there is a pretty unavoidable conclusion - the disapproval line is trending up at a steep angle. My takeaway conclusion is that the shutdown is really hurting Trump’s approval rating, and we have yet to see any tapering off. Time will tell - we’ll have to see if his disapproval in this aggregate of polls beats the former high of 58.1% reached Dec 14, 2017. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/144 "2019-01-17T17:20:28Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Nielsen is basically saying she can get her people to work for no pay and make it happen. Pelosi is saying that’s a bad idea. They can both be right, and probably are. True from a security angle. From a political angle, the point is that Pelosi is using what power she has to kick Trump in the balls, using polite language. Like disciplining a child: he can’t have what he wants until he does what he must: reopen the government. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/145 "2019-01-17T17:20:54Z")
[In related news](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/immigration/2019/01/17/c05f51e6-19c6-11e9-8813-cb9dec761e73_story.html?utm_term=.1643cd673c0b): > [@](#): > > The Trump administration separated thousands more migrant children from their parents at the U.S. border than has previously been made public, according to an investigative report released Thursday, but the federal tracking system has been so poor that the precise number is hazy. Granted, we’re talking about DHHS, not DHS here–but it’s Nielsen’s department that imprisoned these children in the first place, and I’m unconvinced they’ve engaged in rigorous tracking of the children in their custody. I don’t trust Nielsen’s competence, let alone her honesty. Those who trust her competence and honesty, why? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/146 "2019-01-17T17:24:37Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > There’s little doubt it “could be” handled. That conditional verb is important, though: with agencies furloughed, there IS doubt about whether it “has been” handled. Nielsen’s assurances to the contrary are exactly as unreliable as she is. 😕 It’s in the future so we can be rather sure it has not “been handled” yet. Don’t get what you’re trying to say. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/147 "2019-01-17T17:30:33Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > 😕 > It’s in the future so we can be rather sure it has not “been handled” yet. Don’t get what you’re trying to say. > [@Pelosi](#): > > The extraordinary demands presented by NSSEs require weeks of detailed planning with dozens of agencies working together to prepare for the safety of all participants. emphasis added Edit: this is why Nielsen’s competence is important. If she’s not great at making sure everyone’s running a tight ship when the government is fully operational, why trust that she’s doing it during a furlough? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/148 "2019-01-17T17:31:13Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Pelosi’s stated reason for suggesting it be cancelled or postponed was bullshit. @ **Hurricane** : Your insightful commentaries are always … interesting to read; but I, for one, wish you’d sometimes follow through and complete a thought. Would that be entirely unreasonable? Let’s stipulate, for this post only, that **Pelosi** ’s stated reason was a reckless and cold-blooded slander and that if she’d made the statement to the FBI she’d be facing a one-to-five year prison term in [del]Leavenworth[/del][sup]_[/sup] Danbury Penitentiary for perjury. (_ - Leavenworth does not admit female inmates.) With that stipulation, kindly compose an essay of 25 words or less comparing the propensities of **Pelosi** and **Trump** to prevaricate. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/149 "2019-01-17T17:37:17Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You were hoping for what? Some bold, daring position on … the SOTU? It’s a trivial speech. Pelosi’s stated reason for suggesting it be cancelled or postponed was bullshit. You’ve managed to make 14 posts in this thread on “a trivial speech.” I’m pretty sure you have the courage to come up with a contribution along the lines of, “My position is that the speech should/should not go forward because…” instead of limiting your contributions to pointing out reasoning that you don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/150 "2019-01-17T17:53:14Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Please let him do it from the Oval office. Like Nancy told him. I’ve seen this over and over, and I truly don’t get why it’s supposed to matter. What if she’d “told him” to deliver the address to a joint session of Congress? Oh, ha, ha _hah,_ look at Trump doing that just like she told him to! Tee-hee! And, hey, Trump: I see you’re wearing a suit and tie? Just like Nancy _told_ ya to! Ha-HA! Is he supposed to refrain from something just because Pelosi mentioned it? If she thinks he’s about to launch an ill-advised invasion, should she tell him to do that and thereby ruin it for him? Heck, can she ruin _golfing_ for Trump, by simply _telling_ him that he can golf if he wants? Maybe get him to step down from the presidency, by telling him not to? And then tell him to accept a pardon from Pence, so he won’t? I genuinely don’t get it: “Oval Office” was, in fact, a thing she said; so what? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/151 "2019-01-17T17:54:55Z")
Because it’s gonna eat him up, that’s why and it’s enough. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/152 "2019-01-17T18:01:27Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Because it’s gonna eat him up, that’s why and it’s enough. But that’s what I’m asking: would it Eat Him Up if she managed to say anything else right before he does it? I meant what I’d said: if he’s going to launch military strikes, should she tell him to do so? Would that, likewise, Eat Him Up? If she figures that he’s about to nominate someone to a key government post, should she get off a remark to that effect just in time to — if I’m following this — Eat Him Up? Is that a thing that happens? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/153 "2019-01-17T18:04:39Z")
I’m sorry you’re confused by it, I don’t think I can clear it up any more. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/154 "2019-01-17T18:04:59Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > But that’s what I’m asking: would it Eat Him Up if she managed to say anything else right before he does it? I meant what I’d said: if he’s going to launch military strikes, should she tell him to do so? Would that, likewise Eat Him Up? If she figures that he’s about to nominate someone to a key government post, should she get off a remark to that effect just in time to — if I’m following this — Eat Him Up? > > Is that a thing that happens? Depending on the thing, sure. This example you gave would probably be very effective. > [@](#): > > Heck, can she ruin golfing for Trump, by simply telling him that he can golf if he wants? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/155 "2019-01-17T18:11:38Z")
Well, now I’m mystified: why didn’t sensible folks tell him to run for president, and accept the nomination, and get sworn in, and otherwise get him to call the whole thing off because, gosh, isn’t getting _told_ just ever-so-very _intolerable?_ ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/156 "2019-01-17T18:11:55Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > We don’t believe the Trump Spokesperson for DHS, as she is an unreliable source… She claimed she didn’t know whether Norway was a predominantly white country, for example. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/157 "2019-01-17T18:23:00Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > If all demographics vote in the same percentages and partisan splits as they did in 2016, Donald loses in '20. Now, that’s by no means a given that it will happen and it’s also distressingly possible that he could win again, at least in part because of our bizarre electoral system. But with 3-4 million of his '16 voters dead by '20 and 15 million new potential voters coming online – a demographic which doesn’t vote at high rates but is definitely a non-Trump demo – the pressure will be on The Don to find new votes, not the Dems. This is an excellent point and I hadn’t considered it. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/158 "2019-01-17T18:26:36Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’ve seen this over and over, and I truly don’t get why it’s supposed to matter. I think you’re missing the entire context, which is _ **Trump’s character** _. Remember: this is the “President” whose biggest contrubution to the planning of America’s giant military was “Me wants me a big parade like Kim Jong-il gets!” This is the man who, rather than writing essays for publication, appears in a Dixieland cowfield before his high-school dropout supporters and [hired shills](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/07/crowd-hiring-politics-campaign-2016/399002/). Standing and farting in the dais of the House Chamber, turning around to smirk at Pelosi whenever he insults her with full knowledge that the Dems ([unlike Gopsters](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81CVSzPBO1w)) will remain civil — this would be a very happy day for him and the mindless Trumpsters. Baby wanted to shit on the nation’s most famous dome and brag “Look what I can do!” Pelosi denies him that opportunity. What’s hard to understand? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/159 "2019-01-17T18:27:17Z")
Former felons (their preferred term is “returning citizens”) will be able to vote in Florida next time. All 1.5 million of them. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/160 "2019-01-17T18:31:21Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > What she is doing is holding the president accountable, which is Congress’s job but something the Racist Party has become unaccustomed to. What Pelosi has done is made it clear that she will not allow elected Democrats to work with elected Republicans. The Racist Party will continue to blame white people for everything that occurs anywhere during any timeframe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=9)