# Did Pelosi just un-invite Trump from the State of the Union? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 16, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898 "2019-01-16T22:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/161 "2019-01-17T18:34:35Z")
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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/162 "2019-01-17T18:35:02Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Well, now I’m mystified: why didn’t sensible folks tell him to run for president, and accept the nomination, and get sworn in, and otherwise get him to call the whole thing off because, gosh, isn’t getting _told_ just ever-so-very _intolerable?_ Scenario 1: Trump wants to do something. He’s stopped from doing the thing he wants, and the person who stops him tells him that he can do another thing instead. Now he’s cranky about being told no and thinks the person who told him no is a meanybutt Worst Mom Ever. If he does the thing that Worst Mom Ever told him he could do, that’s letting WME win. Scenario 2: Trump wants to do something. Someone else tells him to do the thing he was already planning on doing. He’s nonplussed but does the thing he wanted to do to begin with. See the difference? If not, I’m guessing you’ve never told your child, “No, you can’t run upstairs to get that book you want to read at school today, we’re already late, but you can read one of the other books in your backpack.” My evidence from 7:20 this morning is that children don’t accept such redirection gracefully. My evidence from this news story is that neither do man-child presidents. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/163 "2019-01-17T18:42:28Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > What Pelosi has done is made it clear that she will not allow elected Democrats to work with elected Republicans. That’s what you take from [the news](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/16/pelosi-asking-trump-postpone-his-state-union-is-her-latest-power-play-this-shutdown-impasse/?utm_term=.bf2c503b744d)? > [@](#): > > Trump also failed in an effort to sow discord in the House Democratic caucus. He thought he could go around Pelosi and invite some rank-and-file House Democrats who won in Trump districts to the White House for a shutdown chat on Tuesday. Pelosi says she gave them her blessing to go (reportedly saying, “They can see what we’ve been dealing with. And they’ll want to make a citizen’s arrest.”) The Democrats rejected Trump’s offer. You may not be fully understanding the news these days, doorhinge. Consider the possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/164 "2019-01-17T18:43:36Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > What Pelosi has done is made it clear that she will not allow elected Democrats to work with elected Republicans. The Racist Party will continue to blame white people for everything that occurs anywhere during any timeframe. You’re really trying hard today. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/165 "2019-01-17T18:49:29Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You’re really trying hard today. And failing even harder. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/166 "2019-01-17T18:58:09Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Former felons (their preferred term is “returning citizens”) will be able to vote in Florida next time. All 1.5 million of them. I don’t know how they’re going to measure their participation and voting patterns but I’m really curious to find out when the time comes. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/167 "2019-01-17T18:58:14Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The Racist Party will continue to blame white people for everything that occurs anywhere during any timeframe. That’s not really the M.O. for the party of Trump… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/168 "2019-01-17T19:10:49Z")
Pelosi is now playing trump like a trout on the line. From CNN: > [@](#): > > Speaking at her weekly press conference, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says President Trump has been unusually silent over the last 24 hours as the partial government shutdown drags on. Come on Trump. Tweet something idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/169 "2019-01-17T19:17:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > That’s what you take from [the news](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/16/pelosi-asking-trump-postpone-his-state-union-is-her-latest-power-play-this-shutdown-impasse/?utm_term=.bf2c503b744d)? > You may not be fully understanding the news these days, doorhinge. Consider the possibility. Pelosi called the tune and the Democrats marched in lockstep. Elected Democrats refused to go to a meeting to discuss the shutdown while Schumer was telling the media outlets that the President wouldn’t talk to Democrats about the issue??? _Move along, politics as usual is taking place, move along, nothing to see here_. Compromise and cooperation is dead. (At least for the next two years.) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/170 "2019-01-17T19:21:24Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Pelosi called the tune and the Democrats marched in lockstep. Elected Democrats refused to go to a meeting to discuss the shutdown while Schumer was telling the media outlets that the President wouldn’t talk to Democrats about the issue??? _Move along, politics as usual is taking place, move along, nothing to see here_. **Compromise and cooperation is dead. (At least for the next two years.**) Like it’s been for the last ten years at least. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/171 "2019-01-17T19:22:59Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Compromise and cooperation is dead. (At least for the next two years.) One could make a very valid argument that compromise and cooperation has been dead since 1995 (when Newt Gingrich became Speaker). And, if not then, then certainly by 2015, when the GOP retook the Senate, and Mitch McConnell became Senate Majority Leader. Edit: **running coach** , GMTA. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/172 "2019-01-17T19:27:35Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > One could make a very valid argument that compromise and cooperation has been dead since 1995 (when Newt Gingrich became Speaker). And, if not then, then certainly by 2015, when the GOP retook the Senate, and Mitch McConnell became Senate Majority Leader. This. It died in 1995, just took a while for the body to stop twitching. 2015 was continuity, not change. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/173 "2019-01-17T19:28:25Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > @ **Hurricane** : Your insightful commentaries are always … interesting to read; but I, for one, wish you’d sometimes follow through and complete a thought. Would that be entirely unreasonable? … What do you mean by “complete a thought”? I’m rather comfortable with my posting style the way it is, but if you’ve got some insight you want to share or some examples of what you’re referring to, I’d probably take it into consideration. > [@septimus](#): > > … With that stipulation, kindly compose an essay of 25 words or less comparing the propensities of **Pelosi** and **Trump** to prevaricate. I’m not, however, even slightly interested in taking homework assignments from you. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/174 "2019-01-17T19:52:35Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Pelosi called the tune and the Democrats marched in lockstep. Pelosi: Go to the meeting, with my blessing! You’ll see what I’m dealing with! Dems: Err, no thanks. Yeah, that’s lockstep all right. > [@](#): > > Compromise and cooperation is dead. (At least for the next two years.) This, of course, is true: there was a bipartisan bill to continue funding the government, which Trump torpedoed. Hopefully, though, he’ll be impeached before two years are up. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/175 "2019-01-17T19:52:46Z")
We don’t need to question Nielson’s sincerity, we can just observe that her claim is a bare assertion at this point, while Nancy’s claims about security teams not being paid is demonstrably true. Now, is there a political motive? Gosh, do you think so? Trump’s arguments for the wall are also all bare assertions, demonstrably false ones too. The ultimate argument against him though is that he doesn’t have the votes to pass his proposal. Shutting down the government to get his way is just stupid and not how the government was designed by the founders to operate. So Nancy nixes his speech. So what? He wants to nix disaster aid to California based on more demonstrably false bare assertions. Now pubbies are _shocked_ at this breach of tradition and protocol! Lol, I am enjoying that show. Speaking of bare assertions, Septimus said Trump can be plausibly accused of child rape. What? Anyone got a cite? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/176 "2019-01-17T19:58:09Z")
I don’t understand why the politics of perception is so hard to understand, TOWP. It’s not that Trump can be “easily ordered” to do stuff, it’s that he is being _seen_ as being ordered not to do something that he wants to do, and it will be _seen_ that he has to comply. ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/177 "2019-01-17T19:59:17Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Pelosi called the tune and the Democrats marched in lockstep. Elected Democrats refused to go to a meeting to discuss the shutdown while Schumer was telling the media outlets that the President wouldn’t talk to Democrats about the issue??? _Move along, politics as usual is taking place, move along, nothing to see here_. Compromise and cooperation is dead. (At least for the next two years.) Interesting. Back in the ancient times of oh, 2012, Republicans voting in lock-step was regarded as “party discipline”. (P.S. There is little point in meeting with Trump, as he has demonstrated that he is willing to renege on any deal that Ann Coulter disapproves of.) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/178 "2019-01-17T20:03:10Z")
> [@SingleMalt](#): > > Interesting. Back in the ancient times of oh, 2012, Republicans voting in lock-step was regarded as “party discipline”. > > (P.S. There is little point in meeting with Trump, as he has demonstrated that he is willing to renege on any deal that Ann Coulter disapproves of.) Maybe Pelosi should invite the Republican senators (absent Mitch McConnell) to a conference to discuss ending the shutdown. I’d be curious how many would show up. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/179 "2019-01-17T20:04:07Z")
> [@SingleMalt](#): > > … (P.S. There is little point in meeting with Trump, as he has demonstrated that he is willing to renege on any deal that Ann Coulter disapproves of.) Maybe she should meet with Ann Coulter then. Let the women hammer out a compromise? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898/180 "2019-01-17T20:06:49Z")
Tragically, Anne Coulter has no Constitutional authority to negotiate with Pelosi, nor would Pelosi stoop so low. I thought the Constitution was important to you guys, now y’all want to declare a fake military emergency to send troops into Texas and steal private lands, as well as asking that the Speaker of the House negotiate with the President via private citizens. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-pelosi-just-un-invite-trump-from-the-state-of-the-union/827898.md?page=10)