# Did Steve Jobs do anything to justify the hype **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2015, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795 "2015-09-28T03:47:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/21 "2015-09-29T01:06:51Z")
> [@Wesley Clark](#): > > But to me it seems like he entered a saturated market and found a way to convince people that items that cost 3x more than the alternatives were status symbols. You will never be able to understand the success of Apple and Jobs until you get over this misapprehension that Apple users are chumps who got snowed by the greatest huckster since P.T. Barnum. Technological products are more than the sum of their parts. Design _matters_. > [@Steve Jobs](#): > > Most people make the mistake of thinking design is what it looks like. People think it’s this veneer – that the designers are handed this box and told, ‘Make it look good!’ That’s not what we think design is. It’s not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works. > [@Wesley Clark](#): > > Either the trends would have happened w/o him or other companies were already there or almost there. You can make that assertion, I suppose, but the evidence available doesn’t support it. Have you ever used a pre-2007 smartphone? Or the immensely terrible copycats that came out shortly after the iPhone? It took _years_ for other companies to ship a remotely capable competitor, and that’s with an actual functional iPhone to refer to. Did you ever use a pre-iPad tablet? Despite the fact that it’s “just a big iPod touch” and came out 3 years later, somehow the rest of the world hadn’t managed to make one that didn’t suck. > [@](#): > > Plus to me the fact that apple for the last 7+ years has been basically just releasing more and more forms of the ipod touch signifies that they are not the tech powerhouse they are made out to be. Apple has never made many products. What they’ve made is a few very good ones. Also, you seem to be [ignoring](http://www.apple.com/watch/) [several](http://www.apple.com/mac/) [of them](http://www.apple.com/tv/). > [@](#): > > Google is constantly coming up with new and exciting stuff. Most of which either doesn’t make any money or gets cancelled. Don’t get me wrong, Google is awesome, too. But they have a very different philosophy. Google does product experimentation in the open. I guarantee you that someone at Apple experimented with a wearable camera of some sort. But they never released it because it was horrible. Google released theirs. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/22 "2015-09-29T01:16:01Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > But to me it seems like he entered a saturated market and found a way to convince people that items that cost 3x more than the alternatives were status symbols. You are wrong about this. Was the desktop computer market saturated in 1977? Was the mp3 player market saturated in 2001? Was the smartphone market saturated in 2007? Was the tablet market saturated in 2010? In fact, for the most part, it’s the opposite of what you say- they were all burgeoning, wide-open markets with few if any dominant market leading products. ---
**Author:** ![McDoogins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6a8cbe/32.png) [@McDoogins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDoogins)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/23 "2015-09-29T01:26:34Z")
Just skimmed the topic. I don’t know that much about him, but I will say this; he didn’t deserve a calendar I saw in the store awhile ago. He’s not that cool. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/24 "2015-09-29T01:33:28Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > I second the recommendation to read the Walter Isaacson biography. Possibly the most important thing that Jobs did was _to envision high-tech gear as consumer products_. > > … And as noted above, even people who loved him admit he was a jerk. And an idiot regarding his own medical decisions. I concur, the Isaacson biography is excellent. I might actually read it a second time just because it was such a good read. Steve Jobs was: [ul] [li]An asshole[/li][li]An eccentric[/li][li]A workaholic[/li][li]A marketing genius and master persuader[/li][li]A technological visionary[/li][/ul] When he came back to Apple he really and truly turned it around – it was no mere coincidence – and in the process, he helped to change the world. > [@beagledave](#): > > Jobs was best at telling us what we wanted, even when we didn’t know we wanted it. When the iPod came out, a lot of people (myself included) thought it was the worst decision by Apple, ever. I thought the early iPods (the ultraminiature HDD ones which were neither reliable nor did they have good sound quality) were a good idea that wasn’t well implemented. The doubts that you express were what I had about the iPad. My attitude could have been summed up as “WTF?” That’s because I was thinking in terms of traditional computers and laptops – like, who would want a laptop with the keyboard and mouse removed? And the answer was: no one would, but Jobs had envisioned _an entirely new market_ where computer technology would be used by consumers _in an entirely different way_. That is, the iPad wasn’t a laptop with stuff removed, it was an entirely new kind of product. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/25 "2015-09-29T02:10:06Z")
I don’t know if the OP is old enough to remember Apple Computer in 1997, when it was on the verge of bankruptcy. Wired Magazine famously ran a [cover story](http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/5.06/apple.html), titled “Pray” about how close Apple was to the end. Microsoft, of all companies, invested $150 million in Apple, partly to ensure a valid competitor. Shortly thereafter, Steve Jobs returned and led Apple through one of the most amazing turnarounds in history; the most valuable company in America and one with a cash hoard today of about $200 billion. And remember that this was his second act. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/26 "2015-09-29T02:46:29Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I concur, the Isaacson biography is excellent. I might actually read it a second time just because it was such a good read. > > Steve Jobs was: > > [ul] > [li]An asshole[/li][li]An eccentric[/li][li]A workaholic[/li][li]A marketing genius and master persuader[/li][li]A technological visionary[/li][/ul] > When he came back to Apple he really and truly turned it around – it was no mere coincidence – and in the process, he helped to change the world. > I thought the early iPods (the ultraminiature HDD ones which were neither reliable nor did they have good sound quality) were a good idea that wasn’t well implemented. The doubts that you express were what I had about the iPad. My attitude could have been summed up as “WTF?” That’s because I was thinking in terms of traditional computers and laptops – like, who would want a laptop with the keyboard and mouse removed? And the answer was: no one would, but Jobs had envisioned _an entirely new market_ where computer technology would be used by consumers _in an entirely different way_. That is, the iPad wasn’t a laptop with stuff removed, it was an entirely new kind of product. Yeah - for those that haven’t - read the damn book… Jobs was a wonder at bringing together ideas and technology to deliver an all new experience to consumers. I’d love to more about his time at Pixar as well. (which I feel the book didn’t really address) It’s also interesting just how closely inter-related all the players were during the emergence of the Personal Computing market ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/27 "2015-09-29T05:24:09Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I thought the early iPods (the ultraminiature HDD ones which were neither reliable **nor did they have good sound quality** ) Bullshit. They had sound quality as good as the files you put on them and the headphones or speakers you hooked up to them. [http://www.stereophile.com/content/apple-ipod-portable-music-player-measurements](http://www.stereophile.com/content/apple-ipod-portable-music-player-measurements) “The iPod’s measured behavior is better than many CD players—ironic, considering that most of the time it will be used to play MP3 and AAC files, which will not immediately benefit from such good performance. But if you’re willing to trade off maximum playing time against the ability to play uncompressed AIFF or WAV files, the iPod will do an excellent job of decoding them. Excellent, cost-effective audio engineering from an unexpected source.—John Atkinson” I’ve seen reviews of multiple versions of iPods and iPhones and they all had excellent measured performance. Here a review of the iPhone 6+ which has audio performance comparable to high-end audiophile DACs: [http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-6-plus.htm](http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-6-plus.htm) (Not that it matters much, because headphones and speakers are generally the bottleneck in audio quality.) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/28 "2015-09-29T06:25:39Z")
> [@thirdname](#): > > Bullshit. They had sound quality as good as the files you put on them and the headphones or speakers you hooked up to them. > > [http://www.stereophile.com/content/apple-ipod-portable-music-player-measurements](http://www.stereophile.com/content/apple-ipod-portable-music-player-measurements) > > “The iPod’s measured behavior is better than many CD players—ironic, considering that most of the time it will be used to play MP3 and AAC files, which will not immediately benefit from such good performance. But if you’re willing to trade off maximum playing time against the ability to play uncompressed AIFF or WAV files, the iPod will do an excellent job of decoding them. Excellent, cost-effective audio engineering from an unexpected source.—John Atkinson” > > I’ve seen reviews of multiple versions of iPods and iPhones and they all had excellent measured performance. Here a review of the iPhone 6+ which has audio performance comparable to high-end audiophile DACs: [http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-6-plus.htm](http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-6-plus.htm) > > (Not that it matters much, because headphones and speakers are generally the bottleneck in audio quality.) This is getting way off the Steve Jobs topic, but I really have to respond to this kind of nonsense. I don’t know whether this is a problem of you not knowing what you’re talking about, or not understanding what I’m talking about. In any case, what I’m talking about is the 3rd gen original Ipod (circa about 2003) with the subminiature 15 GB HDD (and extremely unreliable, in my experience) which also came in models up to 40 GB. I did a variety of careful audio tests on this thing, using a variety of sound systems but NOT the iPod earbuds which I hate and don’t fit in my ears anyway. These included the Grado SR-60, an old but wonderful pair of Sony MDR-80s, and a modest but adequate $5K home theater system, in all of which I did the following direct comparisons: - an original CD - CD ripped to MP3 in 128, 196, and 320 Kbps - rip played back on said iPod, and on three other MP3 players that I had on hand, including a cheap solid-state keyfob-type unit that I just bought for comparison, for about a tenth the price of the iPod As [suggested by this comment](http://forums.ilounge.com/ipod-classic-legacy-ipods/85383-dirty-secret-ipods-inferior-sound-quality-shuffle.html), the original 3gen iPod came dead last. **It sounded like an AM radio** compared to the other players, using any output, at any sampling rate. Please pay attention to the bolded phrase above. But you can quote things on teh Interwebs to contradict what I actually experienced. I know. I saw lots of those. That’s why I was persuaded to make the mistake of buying the fucking thing. Which HDD kept failing even after three replacements by Apple of the whole unit, and never sounded as good as the cheap keyfob thing I had. Which is not an indictment of the stuff that Apple produced afterwards. Just don’t tell me that I didn’t hear what I heard or that I didn’t experience what I experienced. ETA: In case it’s not clear from the above, Apple improved their DACs and associated electronics tremendously in subsequent generations of devices – no argument about that. But what I said is true for the generation of device I was talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Habeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@Habeed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habeed)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/29 "2015-09-29T08:44:08Z")
And I can tell stories about how bad the Mac computers were at school in the late 90s. School districts probably didn’t buy anywhere near enough ram, and the Mac OS at the time was extremely slow and would thrash the disk constantly. Windows PCs were crashy but at least more responsive in that era. (this was pre-XP, when it was not uncommon for crashing software to bring down the entire system) Point is, Apple learned from their mistakes and on average does better than their competitors at it. Their price premium is more like 30%, not 10x. For many people, a higher quality, more usable device is worth paying 30% more. Some people can’t afford the extra 30% or have philosophical issues, so they buy cheap. Also, there are bottom of the barrel, cut rate phones now available for less than $100 - price difference isn’t 30%, but that 30% I quote is for roughly the same hardware. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/30 "2015-09-29T09:52:54Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I thought the early iPods (the ultraminiature HDD ones which were neither reliable nor did they have good sound quality) were a good idea that wasn’t well implemented. The doubts that you express were what I had about the iPad. My attitude could have been summed up as “WTF?” That’s because I was thinking in terms of traditional computers and laptops – like, who would want a laptop with the keyboard and mouse removed? And the answer was: no one would, but Jobs had envisioned _an entirely new market_ where computer technology would be used by consumers _in an entirely different way_. That is, the iPad wasn’t a laptop with stuff removed, it was an entirely new kind of product. Somewhere in the Isaacson book, there’s a quote attributed to Henry Ford on the marketing of the automobile to the general public. (From memory): “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would’ve said, ‘a faster horse’”. ---
**Author:** ![Pabitel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbce88/32.png) [@Pabitel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pabitel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/31 "2015-09-29T15:35:28Z")
> [@beagledave](#): > > Jobs was best at telling us what we wanted, even when we didn’t know we wanted it. When the iPod came out, a lot of people (myself included) thought it was the worst decision by Apple, ever. > > There were plenty of cheaper mp3 players out there already, and Apple was supposed to be competing against Windows boxes. Why on earth would people pay premium prices for a device to play music? > > I was wrong, Jobs and company were right. Nitpick It wasn’t the iPod that was a success it was iTunes. Once people got trapped in that environment they couldn’t take their music anywhere else. It was use Apple products or throw away hundreds of dollars worth of music to go somewhere else. iTunes made electronic music simple but it also made everyone who used it a slave to whatever Apple wanted from that point onward. ---
**Author:** ![JustinC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justinc/32/8083_2.png) [@JustinC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustinC)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/32 "2015-09-29T19:38:16Z")
I saw people in Hong Kong using touchscreen phones two years before the first iPhone, I had an iPod which was very nice to use with the scrolling wheel, but hugely expensive and changing the battery was exorbitant. They were being stolen in their thousands and the technology was there to turn them off, but Apple wouldn’t allow that as it would affect their sales. Watching the fans rush in to buy the latest iteration of tech they already own is absurd, regardless of whether it’s much better than the competition (it isn’t). Apple products are emotive and have been very successfully marketed as a desirable, fashionable product within - just - the pockets of most. Jobs on a stage reflecting on how his new product would change everything was swallowed by so many, including most mainstream media, in such a way I could only stand back and wonder how they could be so taken in by the fluff. ---
**Author:** ![Habeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@Habeed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habeed)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/33 "2015-09-29T19:53:36Z")
I had one of those touchscreen phones, imported to the U.S., a couple years before the first iphone. Guess what? It was worthless. It was a resistive touchscreen, and was unreliable in actually recognizing touches. It had terrible battery life. It had bad audio quality. It was very slow. Few of the onboard apps worked very well. It was a brick. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/34 "2015-09-29T20:08:41Z")
He was a top top notch salesman. Period. He was really poor at understanding tech. He didn’t get how much something would really cost or how long it would really take to develop. A lot of his decisions based on this ignorance hurt Apple. He was a poor manager. Nasty, inflexible, etc. Again, really hurt Apple. Drove away talented people. But he could sell, sell, sell. He’s basically Donald Trump’s half-brother. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/35 "2015-09-29T20:36:10Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Microsoft, of all companies, invested $150 million in Apple, partly to ensure a valid competitor. It is important to mention that, along with that investment, Microsoft also committed to developing new versions of Mac Office for five years. Mac-only versions, with Mac-specific features and such; not just a straight-up port of Windows Office. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/36 "2015-09-29T21:00:51Z")
You mean other than found a global tech company with a market cap over $600 billion and employing over 100,000 people? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/37 "2015-09-29T21:01:11Z")
> [@JustinC](#): > > Watching the fans rush in to buy the latest iteration of tech they already own is absurd, regardless of whether it’s much better than the competition (it isn’t). I know there are people that buy iPhone every year to upgrade to the latest, but are they really that numerous? For a long time (at least for us in the USA) it only made sense to upgrade every two years because that was the length of the contract with the wireless company. The upfront money was small compare to the overall cost of the phone, and the rest was baked into the cellphone plan. To me it seems that the people wanting the newest iPhone are at the end of the life cycle for their current one. Why _wouldn’t_ you want to buy it when it came out? At least for a while there it made sense to upgrade because you were paying for the phone subsidy whether you upgraded or not. Things are changing now since subsidies are going away. Also, Apple shoots itself in the foot by making excellent long lasting products too. My ipad2 is still going strong. No need to upgrade. iPad sales are down and a big part of the reason is the longevity of the products. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/38 "2015-09-29T21:47:54Z")
> [@JustinC](#): > > They were being stolen in their thousands and the technology was there to turn them off, but Apple wouldn’t allow that as it would affect their sales. Do you have a cite to back up this bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![Habeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@Habeed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habeed)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/39 "2015-09-29T21:54:03Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Do you have a cite to back up this bullshit? It’s probably true, per say, but the reason Apple wasn’t willing to lock out their iDevices is because it’s actually a thorny problem. What stops someone who pays for a device legitimately, from the rightful owner, from having it locked out because the owner who sold it feels spiteful? How do you guarantee communication with the devices? How do you make certain hackers can’t abuse this mechanism to lock out millions of people? How do you deal with the fact that customers know their iDevice can be locked out at any time, permanently bricking it? None of these problems, except the last one, are unsolvable, but it’s not a no brainer, and it’s not a feature you would want to rush into production. Much better to just ship a device that works as reliably as possible, all the time, no matter who is holding it. Also, Samsung phones and other expensive devices get stolen by the thousands as well. Apple is just particularly vulnerable because their stuff has a high resale value. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795/40 "2015-09-29T22:25:38Z")
> [@Habeed](#): > > It’s probably true, per say, but the reason Apple wasn’t willing to lock out their iDevices is because it’s actually a thorny problem. What stops someone who pays for a device legitimately, from the rightful owner, from having it locked out because the owner who sold it feels spiteful? How do you guarantee communication with the devices? How do you make certain hackers can’t abuse this mechanism to lock out millions of people? How do you deal with the fact that customers know their iDevice can be locked out at any time, permanently bricking it? > > None of these problems, except the last one, are unsolvable, but it’s not a no brainer, and it’s not a feature you would want to rush into production. Much better to just ship a device that works as reliably as possible, all the time, no matter who is holding it. > > Also, Samsung phones and other expensive devices get stolen by the thousands as well. Apple is just particularly vulnerable because their stuff has a high resale value. I inferred that he was talking about iPods, specifically, because it was the widespread spate of iPod thefts back when they were hugely popular that all the media outlets kept reporting on. So he’d be wrong that there was an already in-use way for Apple to brick all those stolen iPods. If he’s talking about iPhones, he explicitly made the claim that Apple wouldn’t do anything about that because it would harm their sales. That claim is bullshit, but if he can back it up with a cite, I’d like to see it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-steve-jobs-do-anything-to-justify-the-hype/732795.md?page=3)