# Did the 9-11 Attacks "Work?" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 15, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088 "2009-07-15T05:27:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/101 "2010-09-11T18:18:33Z")
While I do not in any way think OUR government was involved in the planning or execution of the attacks on 9-11, I do not think OBL was actually responsible either. Bush certainly didn’t think so, as he stated that he “didn’t care” about him when asked. I believe our government lied to us about who carried out the attacks and why. Who owned the only three buildings to be detroyed? What was his reaction? Why did the “plane” that hit the Pentagon fly all the way around and conveniently hit the one section closed down for renovation? Renovation to make it stronger against a MISSILE ATTACK? And why were over 80 security camera tapes from various places areound the Pentagon confiscated and classified, leaving only one that showed NOTHING to be released? I may be a nutcase, but so far no one can answer those questions. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/102 "2010-09-11T20:16:25Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > While I do not in any way think OUR government was involved in the planning or execution of the attacks on 9-11, I do not think OBL was actually responsible either. Bush certainly didn’t think so, as he stated that he “didn’t care” about him when asked. > > I believe our government lied to us about who carried out the attacks and why. Who owned the only three buildings to be detroyed? What was his reaction? Why did the “plane” that hit the Pentagon fly all the way around and conveniently hit the one section closed down for renovation? Renovation to make it stronger against a MISSILE ATTACK? > > And why were over 80 security camera tapes from various places areound the Pentagon confiscated and classified, leaving only one that showed NOTHING to be released? > > I may be a nutcase, but so far no one can answer those questions. And I will state my hatred for 9/11 conspiracy theorists. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/103 "2010-09-11T20:49:27Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > While I do not in any way think OUR government was involved in the planning or execution of the attacks on 9-11, I do not think OBL was actually responsible either. Bush certainly didn’t think so, as he stated that he “didn’t care” about him when asked. That just means that he never cared about 9-11 except a s political tool to get his way. It gave him the political leverage to get into Iraq and pass oppressive and intrusive laws; he never cared in the slightest about the people who were killed, so he had no reason to care about getting OBL. If anything he probably approved of OBL’s actions, they sure helped Bush. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/104 "2010-09-11T21:12:13Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > Why did the “plane” that hit the Pentagon fly all the way around and conveniently hit the one section closed down for renovation? Renovation to make it stronger against a MISSILE ATTACK? What do you mean, “all the way around”? It hit the western side of the building. It approached from the west. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/105 "2010-09-11T21:15:08Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > While I do not in any way think OUR government was involved in the planning or execution of the attacks on 9-11, I do not think OBL was actually responsible either. Bush certainly didn’t think so, as he stated that he “didn’t care” about him when asked. [Misleading CT paraphrasing.](http://911myths.com/html/ignored.html) No surprise. > [@](#): > > I believe our government lied to us about who carried out the attacks and why. Who owned the only three buildings to be detroyed? What was his reaction? Silverstein’s reaction is pretty well indicated. He was not happy and lost loads of money in the attack, even with insurance. > [@](#): > > Why did the “plane” that hit the Pentagon fly all the way around and conveniently hit the one section closed down for renovation? Renovation to make it stronger against a MISSILE ATTACK? Because that was the easy path to take. Ask a pilot. > [@](#): > > And why were over 80 security camera tapes from various places areound the Pentagon confiscated and classified, leaving only one that showed NOTHING to be released? OK: 1. The ‘80 cameras confiscated’ has been crap that has never been verified. 2. Several of those that were have been released and didn’t show much - people tend to have their security cameras pointed at what is important to them, not parts of other people’s buildings. 3. The ‘one’ actualy does show quite a bit - just not in high def/hi-speed that the spoiled youtube generation seems to think is default everywhere. 4. Even if they confiscated them, that doesn’t automatically mean they have the right to release those tapes. They are the property of the company that taped them until certain legal conditions are met (such as with the tapes that were released). > [@](#): > > I may be a nutcase, but so far no one can answer those questions. They’ve been answered dozens, if not hundreds of times. So many that we’re actually sick of it. This is the same crap the ‘truth’ movement has been bringing up since 2006. It is old, it is bullshit, stop spreading lies and stop saying things haven’t been answered when they have. ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/106 "2010-09-11T23:52:08Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > > [@Mozart1220](#): > > > > While I do not in any way think OUR government was involved in the planning or execution of the attacks on 9-11, I do not think OBL was actually responsible either. Bush certainly didn’t think so, as he stated that he “didn’t care” about him when asked. > > [Misleading CT paraphrasing.](http://911myths.com/html/ignored.html) No surprise. > > Silverstein’s reaction is pretty well indicated. He was not happy and lost loads of money in the attack, even with insurance. > > \*\*\*That’s why he told the NYFD to "pull " building 7. OK. \*\*\* > Because that was the easy path to take. Ask a pilot. > > \*\*\*They were ALLEGEDLY not very good pilots, and why would he fly AROUND the building before hitting it? Also, how lucky was it the side that was hit was not only almost empty, but recently reneovated to survive just such an attack? Too many coincidences there for me. \*\*\* > > OK: > > 1. The ‘80 cameras confiscated’ has been crap that has never been verified. > > \*\*\*The cameras exist. Where are the tapes then? \*\*\* > > 1. Several of those that were have been released and didn’t show much - people tend to have their security cameras pointed at what is important to them, not parts of other people’s buildings. > \*\*\*But some WERE pointed at the flight path. \*\*\* > > 2. The ‘one’ actualy does show quite a bit - just not in high def/hi-speed that the spoiled youtube generation seems to think is default everywhere. > > \*\*\*Funny, no one has released the “good” version. \*\*\* > 4) Even if they confiscated them, that doesn’t automatically mean they have the right to release those tapes. They are the property of the company that taped them until certain legal conditions are met (such as with the tapes that were released). > > _ **That’s pretty thin logic. Almost as thin as the other excuse I’ve heard, which is that they are part of a criminal investigation** _ > > > [@](#): > > > > I may be a nutcase, but so far no one can answer those questions. > > They’ve been answered dozens, if not hundreds of times. So many that we’re actually sick of it. This is the same crap the ‘truth’ movement has been bringing up since 2006. It is old, it is bullshit, stop spreading lies and stop saying things haven’t been answered when they have. \*\*\*If your answers are any indication, they haven’t been answered at all. Sorry, I’m just not buying it. \*\*\* ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/107 "2010-09-12T00:07:41Z")
[QUOTE=Mozart1220] That’s why he told the NYFD to "pull " building 7. OK. [/QUOTE] [http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm](http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm) > [@](#): > > However, was the fire more severe than conspiracy theorists let on and was Silverstein’s quote taken out of context? The two are related and are explored below. > > > [@](#): > > > > The above photo is very different than the photos you usually see on conspiracy sites. > > Silverstein’s Quote: > > > [@](#): > > > > “I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.” > > -Fact which is undisputed by either side, he was talking to the fire commander > > -Fact which is undisputed by either side, both are not in the demolition business > > Silverstein’s spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified: > > > [@](#): > > > > “In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.” > > He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence… > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > **"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down.** We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. **I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out.** They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski > > > > ``` As for the rest, yes, your questions haven been answered before, and many times. [http://www.debunking911.com/index.html](http://www.debunking911.com/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/108 "2010-09-12T01:16:37Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > \*\*\*That’s why he told the NYFD to "pull " building 7. OK. \*\*\* GIGOBuster already covered this, but frankly you should have been able to find that on your own. This shit is so godawful old. > [@](#): > > _ **They were ALLEGEDLY not very good pilots,** _ They had commercial pilots licenses. They don’t hand those out in Cracker Jack boxes. The ‘poor pilot’ claims come from their early pilot training. They got better. > [@](#): > > and why would he fly AROUND the building before hitting it? To lose altitude without going too far away. Not hard, really. > [@](#): > > Also, how lucky was it the side that was hit was not only almost empty, but recently reneovated to survive just such an attack? Too many coincidences there for me. \*\*\* How many ‘coincidences’ are just enough for you? The side he hit was the one he could reach after his decent. To hit another section would have required another turn. > **[911myths](https://web.archive.org/web/20191216033221/http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)** > [@](#): > > \*\*\*The cameras exist. Where are the tapes then? \*\*\* Really? Prove it then. I’ve heard allegations but only one source. > [@](#): > > 1. Several of those that were have been released and didn’t show much - people tend to have their security cameras pointed at what is important to them, not parts of other people’s buildings. > \*\*\*But some WERE pointed at the flight path. \*\*\* In the sky? Don’t think so. The ones in the flight path were at a gas station and a hotel, which were, amazingly enough, pointed at gas pumps and a door. > [@](#): > > 1. The ‘one’ actualy does show quite a bit - just not in high def/hi-speed that the spoiled youtube generation seems to think is default everywhere. > > \*\*\*Funny, no one has released the “good” version. \*\*\* There is no ‘good’ version. It was a low speed security camera focused to watch cars in a parking lot, not the wall or the plane in the distance.. The frame rate was somewhere around 1fps. There will be no ‘good version’. Why is this lack of videos a problem for you? Do you believe there was not plane that hit the Pentagon? Some of your complaints about ‘coincidences’ require contradictory themes of thought. > [@](#): > > 1. Even if they confiscated them, that doesn’t automatically mean they have the right to release those tapes. They are the property of the company that taped them until certain legal conditions are met (such as with the tapes that were released). > > _ **That’s pretty thin logic. Almost as thin as the other excuse I’ve heard, which is that they are part of a criminal investigation** _ It is not thin. Look up the history of the Zapruder film sometime and how a lot of money had to be paid out because they didn’t control access to the film -which since it was never entered as evidence in a Federal case should never have been public domain. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > They’ve been answered dozens, if not hundreds of times. So many that we’re actually sick of it. This is the same crap the ‘truth’ movement has been bringing up since 2006. It is old, it is bullshit, stop spreading lies and stop saying things haven’t been answered when they have. > > \*\*\*If your answers are any indication, they haven’t been answered at all. Sorry, I’m just not buying it. \*\*\* So your argument is basically ‘Oh yeah? Well I don’t think so’. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/109 "2010-09-12T02:04:52Z")
My irony-meter just exploded. **Mozart1220** is simultaneously in the Religious Education thread preaching that “real education is based on truth.” ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/110 "2010-09-12T02:06:00Z")
> [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](#): > > > [@Cisco](#): > > > > Dodgy Dude, that article is from November 25th, 2001. > > There’s been a confirmed sighting since then? I don’t know, but that article certainly isn’t proof that there hasn’t been. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/111 "2010-09-12T02:16:47Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > My irony-meter just exploded. **Mozart1220** is simultaneously in the Religious Education thread preaching that “real education is based on truth.” I told you to get a logarithmic irony meter! ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/112 "2010-09-12T02:45:49Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > My irony-meter just exploded. **Mozart1220** is simultaneously in the Religious Education thread preaching that “real education is based on truth.” Yes. And we never got the REAL TRUTH about 9-11. No irony. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/113 "2010-09-12T02:52:57Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > Yes. And we never got the REAL TRUTH about 9-11. No irony. Maybe. I won’t rule it out. But almost everything you said is factually, demonstrably wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/114 "2010-09-12T02:57:07Z")
All I can say is that if Popular mechanics is your main source of “debunking” (as many cite) what really happened on 9-11, maybe you shouldn’t be in the argument. Like the Kennedy assasination, we will never get the real story, and people will begin to say “this is all so OLD”. The hole in the pentagon was way too small for a 757. No plane parts were found (at least from a 757, and another question…WHY were there guys in business suits running around picking stuff up before the NTSB or any investigative body arrived on the scene? There were highway cameras that could have seen the flight path. There were building security cameras all around the Pentagon. ALL were confiscated and classified. But of course, the best thing to do is call those who ask questions “crazy”. My argument is “I don’t thnk so” because like the Kennedy assasination, the “official” explaination is IMPOSSIBLE. The chances of ONE building falling straight down are astronomical. THREE is just WAY too much, especially when the ONLY three were owned by the same guy, and he ordered the fire department to “pull” it. Of course, we haven’t mentioned Bush sitting for 7 minutes dooing NOTHING when he heard “Mr. President, the country is under attack”. Of course, later he lied through his tooth and said “I saw the first plane hit the tower on TV” NO ONE saw it on TV because that video wasn’t even known about for days. TOO MANY COINCIDENCES AND DISCREPENCIES. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/115 "2010-09-12T03:13:28Z")
Dude, there were thousands of witnesses who saw a 757 hit the Pentagon. Thousands. ===eta=== Zombie thread in any case. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/116 "2010-09-12T03:14:46Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > TOO MANY COINCIDENCES AND DISCREPENCIES. The problem with conspiracy theorists isn’t necessarily that they don’t have any good points to ask whatsoever. It is that all their thought processes are ass-backward like a brain breech birth. That’s the part that always gets me. Let’s start with the extreme basics. Do you believe that 4 planes full of people took off and then went missing? If so, where did they go and what is the most logical explanation based on everything within the realm of reason? Starting with anything other than the basics from start to finish rather than working in reverse is the mark of pure insanity and that seems to be where conspiracy theorists work from. Now, if you started with the claim that the planes that we know went up and did what we know they did but Osama Bin Laden wasn’t directly responsible for it, that sounds a little nutty but there is room for doubt. It is a little strange that he has been missing all this time. I wouldn’t bet my life that other people didn’t help Oswald conspire to kill Kennedy either. There are some weird questions still surrounding that as well. It get really disturbing though when you hear that there are people running free in the wild that dispute immutable facts, realities, and the laws of physics however. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/117 "2010-09-12T03:28:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > almost took out the highest levels of political power (White House or Capital building). “Allmost” only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_Dodgy_Dude)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/118 "2010-09-12T03:46:37Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > > [@A\_Dodgy\_Dude](#): > > > > There’s been a confirmed sighting since then? > > I don’t know, but that article certainly isn’t proof that there hasn’t been. Google can’t find a confirmed sighting more recent than November 2001. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/119 "2010-09-12T04:04:31Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > All I can say is that if Popular mechanics is your main source of “debunking” (as many cite) what really happened on 9-11, maybe you shouldn’t be in the argument. I have used 911myths, others have used debunking911. Neither of these is part of Popular Mechanics. This would indicate to me that you have not even looked at the links we gave and are not interested in anything. [QUOTE] Like the Kennedy assasination, we will never get the real story, and people will begin to say “this is all so OLD”. > [@](#): > > The hole in the pentagon was way too small for a 757. Bull. > [@](#): > > No plane parts were found [Bull!](http://911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html) > [@](#): > > (at least from a 757, and another question…WHY were there guys in business suits running around picking stuff up before the NTSB or any investigative body arrived on the scene? Got pics of that? I’ve seen pic of civilian workers and first responders moving airplane pieces - likely to make room for emergency vehicles. [QUOTE] There were highway cameras that could have seen the flight path. [/QUTOE] Where. Tell us where they are. [QUOTE] There were building security cameras all around the Pentagon. [/QUTOE] No there aren’t. The Pentagon uses minimal cameras as it prefers live security. 911 CTers have been pointing at anything on the roof and claiming it was a camera. Usually they are pointing at lights. > [@](#): > > ALL were confiscated and classified. Evidence? > [@](#): > > But of course, the best thing to do is call those who ask questions “crazy”. > My argument is “I don’t thnk so” because like the Kennedy assasination, the “official” explaination is IMPOSSIBLE. > > The chances of ONE building falling straight down are astronomical. THREE is just WAY too much, especially when the ONLY three were owned by the same guy, and he ordered the fire department to “pull” it. Two of the buildings were hit by planes. The other was hit by large, burning chunks of the other buildings. All the fires went unfought. Why is it hard to accept that these buildings failed under such circumstances. Hardly any engineers have any doubts about what caused the failure - but you’d rather blame the (jewish) building owner - who incidentally we have pointed out the error of the ‘pull it’ comment. Also, are you aware that every other WTC building was destroyed as well? Why do you shed no tears for WTC4, or WTC6? > [@](#): > > Of course, we haven’t mentioned Bush sitting for 7 minutes dooing NOTHING when he heard “Mr. President, the country is under attack”. What was he supposed to do? His area was secure, and Secret Service needed time to get a secure route to get him to safety. > [@](#): > > Of course, later he lied through his tooth and said “I saw the first plane hit the tower on TV” Hey, I saw it too. Didn’t say I saw it live. > [@](#): > > NO ONE saw it on TV because that video wasn’t even known about for days. I saw it the afternoon of 9/11. > [@](#): > > TOO MANY COINCIDENCES AND DISCREPENCIES. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/120 "2010-09-12T06:29:22Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > > [@Mozart1220](#): > > > > While I do not in any way think OUR government was involved in the planning or execution of the attacks on 9-11, I do not think OBL was actually responsible either. Bush certainly didn’t think so, as he stated that he “didn’t care” about him when asked. > > > > I believe our government lied to us about who carried out the attacks and why. Who owned the only three buildings to be detroyed? What was his reaction? Why did the “plane” that hit the Pentagon fly all the way around and conveniently hit the one section closed down for renovation? Renovation to make it stronger against a MISSILE ATTACK? > > > > And why were over 80 security camera tapes from various places areound the Pentagon confiscated and classified, leaving only one that showed NOTHING to be released? > > > > I may be a nutcase, but so far no one can answer those questions. > > And I will state my hatred for 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Why? Because we ask questions you’d rather not see answered? You REALLY think it came off EXACTLY the way they said it did? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088.md?page=7)