# Did the 9-11 Attacks "Work?" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 15, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088 "2009-07-15T05:27:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/161 "2010-09-15T02:16:50Z")
As futile as it is, I’m reposting [what I said in the other thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12906067&postcount=55) > [@Why Have the Twin Towers Not Been Rebuilt?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-have-the-twin-towers-not-been-rebuilt/553448/27): > > In other words, “HERE IS THE OFFICIAL STORY. DON’T ASK QUESTIONS” > > You people act like “conspiracies” never happen. I guess if you want to keep you heads in the sand where it’s comfortable, fine. Just remember, the more we let them get away with, the more often we’ll have to suffer these things. > > Sorry, President Kennedy, no one cares anymore. We have our cell phones and 60" flatscreens, we don’t care about anything else. JFK was killed by a Castro sympathizer, after repeatedly trying to have Castro assassinated. That’s pretty open and shut. You want to go after real conspiracies, look for the subtle ones. Why did the Pro-Life movement get going in 1979, instead of 1973? Why is the Tea Party so angry about the deficit now, when they accepted pro-cyclical deficit spending in boom years? Why do politicians & interest groups in the central US manage to find a hot button right-wing issue for the ballot every 2-4 years (gay marriage, immigration, stem cell research…)? The real conspiracies have names like Chamber of Commerce, Democratic Party, Republican Party, Tea Party, Democratic Leadership Council, Project for a New American Century, Christian Coalition, American Federation of Teachers, & yes, al-Qaeda. You can join one if you like. But if you’re worried about mythical unseen conspiracies, you’re distracted from the real ones in plain sight. ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/162 "2010-09-15T02:55:07Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > Also, it can’t simultaneously have made a turn around the Pentagon _and_ be a missile. Pick one. I never said it WAS a missile, I used the term generically, as Cheney supposedly did when he said “When the MISSILE hit I was at…” AS for the guy who said JFK was killed by a “Castro sympathiser” and the case was open and shut, maybe you should tell that to the House assasination comittee members from 1978. They didn’t seem to think so, and niether do a growing number of Americans. The Warren Commission didn’t even look at actual photos of the autopsy, nor did they include testimony from more than half the witnesses. It was only “open and shut” because Hoover ordered it so, that and the main suspect being murdered himself before he could be brought to trial. That was convenient. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/163 "2010-09-15T03:00:08Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > > [@Raygun99](#): > > > > Also, it can’t simultaneously have made a turn around the Pentagon _and_ be a missile. Pick one. > > I never said it WAS a missile, I used the term generically, as Cheney supposedly did when he said “When the MISSILE hit I was at…” > > AS for the guy who said JFK was killed by a “Castro sympathiser” and the case was open and shut, maybe you should tell that to the House assasination comittee members from 1978. They didn’t seem to think so, and niether do a growing number of Americans. The HSA only decided on a conspiracy on last-minute, very flimsy dictabelt evidence, which was later debunked. It was the only “evidence” they found of another shooter. Everything else they did, examined, interviewed pointed to Oswald. > [@](#): > > The Warren Commission didn’t even look at actual photos of the autopsy, nor did they include testimony from more than half the witnesses. It was only “open and shut” because Hoover ordered it so, that and the main suspect being murdered himself before he could be brought to trial. That was convenient. Let me guess. You never actually read it, did you? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/164 "2010-09-15T03:00:56Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > AS for the guy who said JFK was killed by a “Castro sympathiser” and the case was open and shut, maybe you should tell that to the House assasination comittee members from 1978. They relied on incorrect information. There are some errors in the Warren report (they underestimated the time between the shots if I remember correctly) but on the whole they got it right. Kennedy was shot from behind and to the right, which happens to be match where a former military sniper with a rifle was located. > [@](#): > > convenient. [Inigo Montoya]You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.[/IM] ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/165 "2010-09-15T03:29:58Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > AS for the guy who said JFK was killed by a “Castro sympathiser” and the case was open and shut, maybe you should tell that to the House assasination comittee members from 1978. They didn’t seem to think so, and niether do a growing number of Americans. I thought so before, until I noticed that the best evidence for their say so fell down in flames awhile ago: > **[Synchronization of the acoustic evidence in the assassination of President...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16686272/?dopt=Abstract)** > > We have revisited the acoustic evidence in the Kennedy assassination--recordings of the two Dallas police radio channels upon which our original NRC report (Ramsey NF et al., Report of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics. National Research Council... The committee’s best evidence of that “provable a conspiracy” came from a Dictabelt recording alleged to be from a stuck transmitter on a police motorcycle in Dealey Plaza during the assassination. Unfortunately later investigations showed that that the sound recordings on the Dictabelt **could not have come from Dealey Plaza** , the sounds alleged to be gunshots occurred **about a minute after the assassination**. ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/166 "2010-09-15T03:52:08Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > > [@Mozart1220](#): > > > > I never said it WAS a missile, I used the term generically, as Cheney supposedly did when he said “When the MISSILE hit I was at…” > > > > AS for the guy who said JFK was killed by a “Castro sympathiser” and the case was open and shut, maybe you should tell that to the House assasination comittee members from 1978. They didn’t seem to think so, and niether do a growing number of Americans. > > The HSA only decided on a conspiracy on last-minute, very flimsy dictabelt evidence, which was later debunked. It was the only “evidence” they found of another shooter. Everything else they did, examined, interviewed pointed to Oswald. > > > [@](#): > > > > The Warren Commission didn’t even look at actual photos of the autopsy, nor did they include testimony from more than half the witnesses. It was only “open and shut” because Hoover ordered it so, that and the main suspect being murdered himself before he could be brought to trial. That was convenient. > > Let me guess. You never actually read it, did you? Did YOU? ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/167 "2010-09-15T03:57:30Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > > [@Mozart1220](#): > > > > AS for the guy who said JFK was killed by a “Castro sympathiser” and the case was open and shut, maybe you should tell that to the House assasination comittee members from 1978. > > They relied on incorrect information. There are some errors in the Warren report (they underestimated the time between the shots if I remember correctly) but on the whole they got it right. Kennedy was shot from behind and to the right, which happens to be match where a former military sniper with a rifle was located. > > > [@](#): > > > > convenient. > > [Inigo Montoya]You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.[/IM] Yeah, he was shot FROM behind and to the right and that’s why the exit wound is behind and to the right… Wait a minute… And Oswald wasn’t exactly a “military sniper” given that he couldn’t hit a cow in the ass with a handfull of rice while he was IN the military. And why would a military sniper be allowed to defect, marry a Russian woman, and then be allowed back into the states with no questions asked? And interesting that in all the years since NO ONE could duplicate the shots or the path of the “magic bullet”? Hell, the “History” channel even changed all the variables and STIILL couldn’t pull it off. Pretty convenient that Oswald was killed before an actual trial wasn’t it? How do you suppose Ruby got into the police dept. basement in the first place? I guess it’s pretty convenient he was hidden away in Dallas and never allowed to speak before dying of “cancer”. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/168 "2010-09-15T04:08:40Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > Yeah, he was shot FROM behind and to the right and that’s why the exit wound is behind and to the right… The exit wound is in front/to the side, not in the back. > [@](#): > > And Oswald wasn’t exactly a “military sniper” given that he couldn’t hit a cow in the ass with a handfull of rice while he was IN the military. Unfortunately this is bullshit. He was not a great shot by military standards, but he did have sniper training and was decent at it. Further, people who have experience with guns will tell you the shot he took was not a difficult one. > [@](#): > > And why would a military sniper be allowed to defect, marry a Russian woman, and then be allowed back into the states with no questions asked? Because nobody knew he was going to shoot the president? > [@](#): > > And interesting that in all the years since NO ONE could duplicate the shots or the path of the “magic bullet”? This could not be more false. Many people have done the work and illustrated that the only place the shots could have come from is Oswald’s location. The bullet did not do anything magical. It passed through Kennedy’s neck and continued downward to hit Connally. The back seats (where the Kennedys were) were higher than the front seats. This eliminates the need for the bullet to do anything unusual. > [@](#): > > Pretty convenient that Oswald was killed before an actual trial wasn’t it? No, it’s not convenient. All night diners are convenient when it’s late and you’re hungry. You’re using “convenient” to imply something vague and sinister without having to go to the trouble of backing it up. Your knowledge about this is pretty woeful. > [@](#): > > How do you suppose Ruby got into the police dept. basement in the first place? He walked. The record of his actions right before the shooting is pretty well established. He even used an ATM a couple of minutes before the killing, which is probably not what you want your super duper secret assassin to do. If he’d been there a few minutes earlier or later he would not have been anywhere near Oswald. How “convenient” is that? > [@](#): > > I guess it’s pretty convenient he was hidden away in Dallas and never allowed to speak [Then what’s this?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2eucWXqjg) > [@](#): > > before dying of “cancer”. What’s “cancer?” And if he was a vital part of some kind of conspiracy and needed to be hidden away, why didn’t _he_ get killed? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/169 "2010-09-15T04:10:35Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > Oswald wasn’t exactly a “military sniper” given that he couldn’t hit a cow in the ass with a handfull of rice while he was IN the military. So how did he manage to pass his Sharpshooter test in '56? > [@](#): > > _And why would a military sniper be allowed to defect, marry a Russian woman, and then be allowed back into the states with no questions asked?_ Oswald never formally renounced his US citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![BayouHazard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@BayouHazard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BayouHazard)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/170 "2010-09-15T04:12:46Z")
Okay, since somewhere this thread hit JFK assasination: I just read a book called “The Secret History Of The CIA” by Joseph Trento. In it, Trento advances the evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald was a KGB recruit, and it’s pretty damned interesting. So what Trento says is that the KGB(follow me here) wanted to assassinate JFK to get rid of Kruschev. In order to not have the US go to war with them for killing JFK, they deliberately jacketed Lee Harvey Oswald as a Castro sympathizer. Castro _did_ approve of the asassination, and sent along two backup guys. I’m trying to remember if the backup guys were also mafia or not. (yeah I know that sounds wierd, but the mafia were working the CIA _ **and** _ the Cuban espionage service, taking money from both, and, well-screwing both over when expeditious. After all, it’s just business.;)) Anyway, Trento’s reason behind the coverup of the hit was logical: if the real mastermind of the hit on JFK were known(and Trento asserts the CIA knew it well), then the calls for war with the Soviet Union would have been overwhelming. This was right after the Cuban Missile Crisis, and I think they just…didn’t want war with Russia. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/171 "2010-09-15T04:13:46Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > And interesting that in all the years since NO ONE could duplicate the shots or the path of the “magic bullet”? Hell, the “History” channel even changed all the variables and STIILL couldn’t pull it off. The “history” channel of Nostradamus, monsters and UFO’s? [http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php/JFK\_Assassination](http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php/JFK_Assassination) > [@](#): > > Three Shots in 5.6 Seconds? > > According to the conspiracy theorists, Oswald had to get off three shots in 5.6 seconds. They say this is impossible with the 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano rifle that Oswald used. > > This was refuted by Penn Jillette in an episode of Bullshit!, where he successfully cocks, aims, and fires an identical rifle three times in 3.4 seconds. However he was not aiming at anything in particular, just firing into the air. > > However, the conspiracy theorists get their figure from the Zapruder film, claiming that the first shot wasn’t fired until frame 210. Since the last shot occurred at frame 313, and the Zapruder film was shot at 18.3fps, that comes out to 5.6 seconds. But witnesses said the first shot was fired just as the car turned onto Elm Street, and that was at frame 160; also, Connally recalled that he turned his head sharply to the right upon having heard the first shot, and this occurs at frame 162. This means that the three shots actually took about 8.3 seconds, two and a half seconds longer than the conspiracy theorists claim. > [@](#): > > The “Magic Bullet” > > Another popular claim by conspiracy theorists is the “magic bullet” theory. They claim that there is just no way the second shot could have caused the wounds to both JFK and Governor Connally the way it did. The bullet entered JFK’s back and came out his throat; then, the conspiracy theorists say, the bullet would have to change directions, and then move a couple of feet to the right to enter Governor Connally’s right shoulder. Since bullets obviously don’t do that, they say there must have been a second shooter other than Oswald. > > The problem is that the conspiracy theorists put JFK and Governor Connally in the wrong position relative to each other. They put Connally directly in front of JFK, at the same level, and both facing front. Examining the Zapruder film (and this is even more obvious in the Myers reconstruction) shows clearly that Connally is seated, not directly in front of Kennedy, but shifted to the left. Also, JFK was seated on a riser that kept him at a higher level so he could wave to the crowds. Finally, JFK was leaning forward and Connally was turned to his right. When all of these are taken into account and the men’s actual positions are examined, the bullet wounds line up in a straight line. > [@](#): > > Lee Harvey Oswald > > Few who knew Oswald liked him, the Communists he tried to align himself with largely ignored him, and the Soviet Union almost rejected his defection. His attempts to defect to Cuba were completely blocked. This is one possible reason why so many people insist on believing in a conspiracy: A loser like Oswald takes down one of the greatest Presidents of all time? Unthinkable! Even Oswald himself was filmed saying “I’m just a patsy!” as he was being hauled off into custody. > > So the conspiracy theorists go to great lengths to show that there’s no way Oswald could have performed this act. He would have had to shoot too accurately, too quickly. They say that he was a poor shot and had no experience with the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. > > His records show that on two occasions he scored 48 or 49 out of 50 when firing rapidly at a target twice the distance of Kennedy from the book depository. He qualified as a sharpshooter in 1956 by scoring 212 (2 above the minimum for qualification). In 1959, he only qualified as a marksman scoring 191 (exactly the minimum for qualification). In these three years in the marines, his rifle skills had deteriorated. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/172 "2010-09-15T04:20:12Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He walked. The record of his actions right before the shooting is pretty well established. He even **used an ATM a couple of minutes before the killing** , which is probably not what you want your super duper secret assassin to do. If he’d been there a few minutes earlier or later he would not have been anywhere near Oswald. How “convenient” is that? Pssst, those hadn’t been invented yet. But he was wiring money at the telegraph office, IIRC. And had Oswald not decided to change his shirt, Ruby would have missed seeing him. ---
**Author:** ![BayouHazard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@BayouHazard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BayouHazard)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/173 "2010-09-15T04:23:12Z")
To answer original question-we’re getting perilously close to bankrupting the empire. Afghanistan is probably the worst place in the world to fight a ground war, and doing so bankrupted the Soviets. And there we are. OBL, if he’s alive and not just being synthesized digitally at this point(my programmer spouse says it’s not _that_ hard to do), is probably getting up every day with a giant grin on his face. We ought to be spending that money on our dilapidated infrastructure, on our crappy school system, and on getting off foreign oil, because that’s going to take a lot of money and a lot of time. But we’re wasting our money on this crap like a bunch of drunken sailors.:mad: ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/174 "2010-09-15T04:26:57Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > And interesting that in all the years since NO ONE could duplicate the shots or the path of the “magic bullet”? Hell, the “History” channel even changed all the variables and STIILL couldn’t pull it off. Ok - let’s try an experiment. Take ten rocks to the top of your roof. Number them, then put them in a bag. Now randomly pull them out and throw them in random directions with random amounts of oomph in your throws. Now go down and draw a one foot diameter circle around each and number the circles. Now go back up onto the roof and work on throwing them back to the same spots. I bet $100 of my birthday money that you can’t do it again. Which means that you obviously couldn’t have done it the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/175 "2010-09-15T04:57:40Z")
> [@Darth\_Sensitive](#): > > > [@Mozart1220](#): > > > > And interesting that in all the years since NO ONE could duplicate the shots or the path of the “magic bullet”? Hell, the “History” channel even changed all the variables and STIILL couldn’t pull it off. > > Ok - let’s try an experiment. Take ten rocks to the top of your roof. Number them, then put them in a bag. Now randomly pull them out and throw them in random directions with random amounts of oomph in your throws. Now go down and draw a one foot diameter circle around each and number the circles. > > Now go back up onto the roof and work on throwing them back to the same spots. I bet $100 of my birthday money that you can’t do it again. Which means that you obviously couldn’t have done it the first time. You forgot part of the test. See if I can hit 15 objects with those ten rocks, 5 of them around a corner and behind a wall. Then I need to convince you that I did it with only 5 rocks. Better not bet your birthday money, you’ll need it to pay for an education in physics. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/176 "2010-09-15T06:12:27Z")
> [@BayouHazard](#): > > I just read a book called “The Secret History Of The CIA” by Joseph Trento. In it, Trento advances the evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald was a KGB recruit, and it’s pretty damned interesting. > So what Trento says is that the KGB(follow me here) wanted to assassinate JFK to get rid of Kruschev. > In order to not have the US go to war with them for killing JFK, they deliberately jacketed Lee Harvey Oswald as a Castro sympathizer. Castro _did_ approve of the asassination, and sent along two backup guys. I’m trying to remember if the backup guys were also mafia or not. > (yeah I know that sounds wierd, but the mafia were working the CIA _ **and** _ the Cuban espionage service, taking money from both, and, well-screwing both over when expeditious. After all, it’s just business.;)) > Anyway, Trento’s reason behind the coverup of the hit was logical: if the real mastermind of the hit on JFK were known(and Trento asserts the CIA knew it well), then the calls for war with the Soviet Union would have been overwhelming. This was right after the Cuban Missile Crisis, and I think they just…didn’t want war with Russia. Wait, what did I miss? How does all this get rid of Kruschev? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/177 "2010-09-15T14:21:29Z")
How did this thread go from a question of whether 9-11 ‘Work’(ed) to the silly 9/11 CT to, of all things, the thoroughly debunked JFK assassination CT bs?? Magic bullet theory? THAT one is still getting dragged out? :rolleyes: The old chestnut about how ‘no one could make the shot’?? Sheesh. This stuff is nearly on par with the idiots who believe the moon landings were faked… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/178 "2010-09-15T14:36:54Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > How did this thread go from a question of whether 9-11 ‘Work’(ed) to the silly 9/11 CT to, of all things, the thoroughly debunked JFK assassination CT bs?? Magic bullet theory? THAT one is still getting dragged out? :rolleyes: The old chestnut about how ‘no one could make the shot’?? Sheesh. This stuff is nearly on par with the idiots who believe the moon landings were faked… > > -XT THe JFK conspiricy has not been “thoroughly debunked”. In fact all the evidence points to Oswald NOT being the shooter. Same thing with 9-11. There are so many problems with the official explaination that if it ever actually came to a trial it would causesuch serious problems for the Bush administration LIARS that it might bring down the entire Republican party. Maybe the government as a whole. Ad I don’t even think they planned it or carried it out. Why do you think neither of these crimes ever saw the inside of a courtroom? The way we have been duped in both these cases, and the way people like you just blindly accept what you have been told without question proves what a genius George Orwell really was. And we went to the moon. Landed there 6 times. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/179 "2010-09-15T14:46:57Z")
> [@Mozart1220](#): > > THe JFK conspiricy has not been “thoroughly debunked”. In fact all the evidence points to Oswald NOT being the shooter. There is actually not one scrap of physical evidence that points to anyone except Oswald. Sorry, but there is simply nothing there but your own misunderstandings, your personal incredulity, and the lies of conspiracy theorists. > [@](#): > > Same thing with 9-11. There are so many problems with the official explaination that if it ever actually came to a trial it would causesuch serious problems for the Bush administration LIARS that it might bring down the entire Republican party. Oh yes! It certainly would! Oh wait, [there already was a trial and that did not exactly happen.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui) > [@](#): > > Maybe the government as a whole. Ad I don’t even think they planned it or carried it out. > > Why do you think neither of these crimes ever saw the inside of a courtroom? I dunno, because one of them already did. The other one would have been interesting since it is ironclad that Oslwad also shot a Dallas cop as well as JFK. > [@](#): > > The way we have been duped in both these cases, and the way people like you just blindly accept what you have been told without question proves what a genius George Orwell really was. Orwell would cry over the level of lies and misinformation you spew. ---
**Author:** ![Mozart1220](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Mozart1220](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mozart1220)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088/180 "2010-09-15T14:52:57Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > > [@Mozart1220](#): > > > > THe JFK conspiricy has not been “thoroughly debunked”. In fact all the evidence points to Oswald NOT being the shooter. > > There is actually not one scrap of physical evidence that points to anyone except Oswald. > > _ **Except for that pesky “magic bullet” that has never benn proven to be possible, let alone reproduced"** _ > > Sorry, but there is simply nothing there but your own misunderstandings, your personal incredulity, and the lies of conspiracy theorists. > _ **And the constant attempts at discrediting physical evidence by the Warren Commission apologists** _ > > Oh yes! It certainly would! Oh wait, [there already was a trial and that did not exactly happen.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui) > > \*\*\*Did Oswald go to trial? Has OBL gone to trial? \*\*\* > > I dunno, because one of them already did. The other one would have been interesting since it is ironclad that Oslwad also shot a Dallas cop as well as JFK. > \*\*\*It is far from “ironclad”, as almostt ALL the physical evidence, including an actual film, point to Oswald NOT doing it. \*\*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > The way we have been duped in both these cases, and the way people like you just blindly accept what you have been told without question proves what a genius George Orwell really was. > > Orwell would cry over the level of lies and misinformation you spew. Orwell would say “See, the government has duped it’s constituants, and the questioners are being shouted down and ridiculed. I was right” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-9-11-attacks-work/503088.md?page=10)