# Did the Page FISA applications omit? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 26, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620 "2018-07-26T15:00:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/221 "2018-07-30T17:25:54Z")
I’m not saying anything about how Mayer would weigh in on this debate. I think you are trying to say Mayer would take the opposite side from me in this debate. I get that impression too. So what? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/222 "2018-07-30T17:42:02Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > I’m not saying anything about how Mayer would weigh in on this debate. I think you are trying to say Mayer would take the opposite side from me in this debate. I get that impression too. So what? It was one of the good sources, by your own words. That is what. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/223 "2018-08-11T23:20:57Z")
Carter Page assisted the FBI in their case against a Russian spy ring in NY. Evgeny Buryakov the only Russian apprehended in that case took a plea deal in March of 2016. Why would the FBI claim he was a foreign agent on the FISA warrent when they knew he wasn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/224 "2018-08-11T23:34:42Z")
Fox News doing more stories on Carter Fucking Page again, eh? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/225 "2018-08-12T15:22:15Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Carter Page assisted the FBI in their case against a Russian spy ring in NY. Evgeny Buryakov the only Russian apprehended in that case took a plea deal in March of 2016. Why would the FBI claim he was a foreign agent on the FISA warrent when they knew he wasn’t? Who is the “he” you’re referring to in the last sentence? I’m not sure what you’re asking. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/226 "2018-08-13T15:23:36Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Who is the “he” you’re referring to in the last sentence? I’m not sure what you’re asking. Carter Page…Why is the FBI making a claim about him that they know is false in a FISA warrent? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/227 "2018-08-13T15:27:56Z")
Carter Page: genius superspy, busting up spying rings while maintaining a cover story of being a total dope. Some people may buy that story, but I don’t. ETA: And if anyone wants to know what **EasyPhil** is talking about, take a look at this account of his hero, Carter Fucking Page: [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/03/carter-page-nunes-memo-216934](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/03/carter-page-nunes-memo-216934) ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/228 "2018-08-13T15:37:15Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Carter Page: genius superspy, busting up spying rings while maintaining a cover story of being a total dope. > > Some people may buy that story, but I don’t. > > ETA: And if anyone wants to know what **EasyPhil** is talking about, take a look at this account of his hero, Carter Fucking Page: > > [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/03/carter-page-nunes-memo-216934](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/03/carter-page-nunes-memo-216934) The politico story lies by omission, it does not include the "inconvenient’ fact that Carter Page assisted the FBI in that case up until its conclusion in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/229 "2018-08-13T15:38:09Z")
And your take on the story contains the omission that Page apparently feels like the Russians busted for spying got a raw deal. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/230 "2018-08-13T15:41:16Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > And your take on the story contains the omission that Page apparently feels like the Russians busted for spying got a raw deal. I don’t care what he feels like. I care about what critical information about him is being omitted or lied about. Address why they lied or omitted the fact that he assisted the FBI to bust up a Russian spy ring. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/231 "2018-08-13T15:46:43Z")
How is it that you know that his status of an informant with deep Russian sympathies isn’t in the redacted sections? Further, you’re at least implying – if not outright stating – that Page was an eager informant for the FBI to bust this ring. I’ve seen nothing to support that, especially because Page kept having secret meetings with Russian oligarchs and government officials right through his time with the Trump campaign. Sure sounds to me like the FBI twisted his nuts in 2013 to get him to talk about his association with Russian spies, he did the minimum he could not to get into trouble, and then returned to his old ways of being a Russian dupe. Furthermore, every time the pro-Nunes crowd says something has been covered up, within a short period of time, we find that Nunes was lying. I don’t see any reason to believe that his/your claims about covering up the heroic deeds of Carter Fucking Page are credible. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/232 "2018-08-13T16:04:44Z")
[DOJ Documents Show Carter Page Helped FBI Catch Russian Spies](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/chrisreeves/2018/02/05/doj-documents-show-carter-page-helped-fbi-catch-russian-spies-n2444651) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/233 "2018-08-13T16:25:48Z")
Chris Reeves JAQing off isn’t really a cite. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/234 "2018-08-13T16:41:38Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > The politico story lies by omission, it does not include the "inconvenient’ fact that Carter Page assisted the FBI in that case up until its conclusion in 2016. So assisting the FBI or any law enforcement with an investigation precludes the possibility that he might later break the law? Informants and witnesses can assist law enforcement with an investigation and still break the law at a later time, if they haven’t already done so. This happens with drug traffickers and hackers. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/235 "2018-08-13T16:58:10Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > So assisting the FBI or any law enforcement with an investigation precludes the possibility that he might later break the law? > > Informants and witnesses can assist law enforcement with an investigation and still break the law at a later time, if they haven’t already done so. This happens with drug traffickers and hackers. So Page helped get Russians convicted to maintain his cover? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/236 "2018-08-13T17:01:05Z")
You’ve never heard of a double agent? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/237 "2018-08-13T17:01:34Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > So Page helped get Russians convicted to maintain his cover? He’s an idiot. He may have thought the FBI agents interviewing him were Russians, or space aliens, or talking dogs. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/238 "2018-08-13T17:35:52Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You’ve never heard of a double agent? Yes, in the movies. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/239 "2018-08-13T18:28:43Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Yes, in the movies. You must watch a lot of movies. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620/240 "2018-08-13T18:35:05Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > You must watch a lot of movies. Yeah, but they are probably things like [this](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hillarys_america_the_secret_history_of_the_democratic_party/). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-page-fisa-applications-omit/818620.md?page=13)