If only we had experts in the world who were experienced in raw intel from paid foreign sources, and the level of credence to give that information…
We should try to form an organization that collects and analyzes such information, and maybe a secret court that works with them to ensure that subpoenas and warrants are only issued in cases where the evidence merits those measures, and we should appoint the people who work in the court by our lawfully elected representatives, and they should only appoint judges who they believe do have the ability to balance the quality of the data to the civil rights violations that are being requested.
No, “collusion” is when Americans help a foreign adversary to subvert and sabotage our election process. It appears only one American presidential candidate and his team did that.
Well, you’ve jumped from claim to claim and from source to source. Every time it’s pointed out that you’re wrong or your source is unreliable, you’ve shifted to another source. Or, y’know, a source already addressed.
The point where you went back to Nunes was the point where I gave up on convincing you, because what you did was fundamentally dishonest. People explained why Nunes was a bad source, so you shifted to another source, and when that source was called into question, you went right back to Nunes. If you’re willing to shift the goalposts and shift your claims like this, there is no possibility of rational debate.
The Carter article says:
“This bit of explosive information was revealed in an expose on Steele by The New Yorker’s Jane Mayer but the implications for the FBI are profound.”
Is Jane Mayer a bad source too?
So you are going with “The FBI didn’t know” instead of “Anyone reading the footnote would know”? I think that is a debate misstep, as the sources I cite point to they knew. The debate tactics of wording parsing and source attacking will be nullified if sources you can’t quibble over say it, and that may very well happen.
Except Nunes hasn’t been reading the classified material he has access to. Those who have read it tell him he is wrong and as it gets declassified he is publicly proven wrong. Of course it’s always easier to validate a conspiracy theory when you ignore all the evidence counter to it.
So now you are privy to classified information? Or is this based simply on your denial of any evidence that wasn’t produced by you or other Putin Republicans?
I do not have access to classified info. I am not a Republican, or any party. I think establishment Republicans and Democrats are a Uniparty, and there is just an illusion of a dichotomy. I think Trump is a true outsider. I have notuing to do with Putin. I think Russia is a relatively minor world player right now. I think Trump’s joke about the Russians finding Hillary’s emails motivated this farce. It particularly doesn’t work ok younger folks like me who grew up after the fall of the Soviet Union, and see Russia as a boogeyman as an outdated scare tactic.
I wouldn’t trust any world leader to always tell the truth. Heck, this could be on the level of a tactful white lie. Your same link quotes Putin as saying:
“Once again, President Trump mentioned the issue of the so-called interference of Russia when the American elections, and I had to reiterate things I said several times, including during our personal contacts, that the Russian state has never interfered and is not going to interfere into internal American affairs, including the election process.”
When do we believe him?
I’m completely perplexed by the lack of connection of many Trump supporters with the most basic elements of reality.
We know that our intelligence agencies assessed that Russia favored Trump in the election.
We know that Putin has a deep animosity for Clinton after he blamed her personally in public remarks after the 2011 anti-corruption/anti-Putin demonstrations.
We know that Putin literally said he favored Trump because Trump wanted better relations between the two countries.
And yet, we have millions of people like Jim who just deny all of that, even though one need not go into any speculation about the depth of corruption from Trump associates like Manafort, Page, Stone, etc.
If they had evidence Trump collided with Russia he would have been out of office and probably imprisoned by now. Instead, recent reports say Mueller is looking to see if any of Trump’s tweets were too mean, and thus obstructed justice. How about obstructing the Executive Branch? That is really what is going on. Your three points about Putin\Russia are guesses at their opinions. What does that have to do with anything? Maybe Putin never made up his mind? Pick any country and think about their leader(s) and who they favored in the 2016 election. OK now what?
Sorry, cannot continue reading more because on that Trump is only pushing a straw man, the reason for Muller’s investigation is not collusion. Trump and other sources are playing you like a fiddle.