# Did the Parkland students really get what they wanted? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 11, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221 "2018-04-11T15:59:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/181 "2018-05-22T04:24:57Z")
I also can’t help but notice an eagerness to regulate a constitutional right, but reluctance and pleas of ineffectiveness to measures that do not impact constitutional rights. More American Government classes might be in order here. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/182 "2018-05-22T12:28:08Z")
With all due respect, professor, it’s more that clear backpacks can be quickly ruled out as a Dumb Fucking Idea, an evaluation that typically precedes questions of constitutionality. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/183 "2018-05-22T12:31:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I also can’t help but notice an eagerness to regulate a constitutional right, but reluctance and pleas of ineffectiveness to measures that do not impact constitutional rights. More American Government classes might be in order here. That constitutional “right” keeps getting kids killed, doesn’t it? More classes in fucking cause and effect might be in order for at least a few people. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/184 "2018-05-22T12:44:06Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > You’re going to get some kids like him that slip through the cracks because the number of disaffected outsider teens is HUGE. Figuring out which one is likely to snap is not always going to be so easy. My son was called into the office the other day and they asked him about a friend of his who was talking about guns. Apparently the other kid is going into the army soon plus he just thought guns were cool and that set someone off. What bugged me is that I as a parent wasnt notified. I taught my son that if he was ever called into the office on something like this he was supposed to not say anything without either me or his mother present. I have seen too many kids suspended because they did something like drew a picture of a knife. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/185 "2018-05-22T13:01:01Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That constitutional “right” keeps getting kids killed, doesn’t it? More classes in fucking cause and effect might be in order for at least a few people. Actually, it’s not clear at all that anything short of near total gun bans would do any good at all. > **[The Capital Gazette shooting and the limits of an assault weapons ban](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/3/17174160/assault-weapons-ar-15-ban)** > > There’s not much empirical weight behind an assault weapons ban, although experts say it could reduce mass shooting deaths. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/186 "2018-05-22T15:55:47Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > …You’ll remember the giant snit the NRA had a while ago about guns with locks. That would have stopped the Santa Fe shooting. Are you in favor of those? There is no way to say that a gun lock would have stopped the shooting. Most trigger or chamber locks can be defeated with a hammer, screwdriver, or bolt cutters. If this kid had the wherewithal to build a pipe bomb, a trigger lock was not going to stop him. To think otherwise is simply wishful thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/187 "2018-05-22T16:09:24Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Or perhaps they’ve learned that security theater is feel-good nonsense that doesn’t address any actual issues of security. Clear backpacks may count as security theater but so do “assault weapon” bans. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/188 "2018-05-22T16:17:05Z")
So what are \*your \*ideas? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/189 "2018-05-22T16:18:16Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, it’s not clear at all that anything short of near total gun bans would do any good at all. > > [The Capital Gazette shooting and the limits of an assault weapons ban - Vox](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/3/17174160/assault-weapons-ar-15-ban) It’s not clear that anything short of banning cars would reduce vehicular deaths at all. > [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > Clear backpacks may count as security theater but so do “assault weapon” bans. True that what politicians are willing to propose and get passed does less good than actual measures that are made in good faith with an actual effort towards reducing the number of people injured or killed by guns. That’s not a reason to punish students for complaining about their fellow classmates being gunned down around them. The AWB was a bit of security theater, for the specific reason that the gun advocates required that they leave it vague and with plenty of loopholes for gun manufacturers to immediately move to. Any proposal that would actually cut down on the violence is met with firm resistance by those who are terrified that preventing the deaths of students may make it slightly more inconvenient for the to get the gun that they want. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/190 "2018-05-22T16:20:59Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > What bugged me is that I as a parent wasnt notified. I taught my son that if he was ever called into the office on something like this he was supposed to not say anything without either me or his mother present. **I have seen too many kids suspended because they did something like drew a picture of a knife.** (bolding mine) You’ve seen this personally? Like, it happened in your own school system? Man, that sucks. How many kids? Dozens? Hundreds? Please tell me people have stopped this danger to our freedoms before there were a thousand kids suspended because they did something like drew a picture of a knife! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/191 "2018-05-22T16:44:30Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Any proposal that would actually cut down on the violence is met with firm resistance by those who are terrified that preventing the deaths of students may make it slightly more inconvenient for the to get the gun that they want. Yeah, because then there might be only 100 types of guns available, instead of 700. If that’s not an infringement of my God-given, Constitutional rights, then I don’t know what is. Oh, except for all the other “infringements” that are currently legal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221.md?page=9)