# Did the Parkland students really get what they wanted? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 11, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221 "2018-04-11T15:59:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/81 "2018-04-25T13:13:47Z")
You can rent a truck with[super single tires](https://rjrlaw.com/practice-areas/sc-accident/tractor-trailer-accidents/super-single-tires-fuel-savings-more-accidents/)on one axle, then it’s a 16-wheeler. An 18-wheeler can even be a 10-wheeler. The students aren’t going away, btw. Nor should they. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/82 "2018-04-25T20:06:01Z")
Obviously, given recent news releases about the Toronto killer, what we really need to do is ban white men, and especially MRAs. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/83 "2018-04-25T23:28:54Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You can rent a truck with[super single tires](https://rjrlaw.com/practice-areas/sc-accident/tractor-trailer-accidents/super-single-tires-fuel-savings-more-accidents/)on one axle, then it’s a 16-wheeler. An 18-wheeler can even be a 10-wheeler. rent? why would a mass murderer invest the time and money to legally rent one when they could steal it? Is this some new code of honor we should expect? > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The students aren’t going away, btw. . Of course they aren’t. They have a sponsor for skip day. If they time it right they can tour the Smithsonian over the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/84 "2018-04-25T23:37:16Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > rent? why would a mass murderer invest the time and money to legally rent one when they could steal it? Dunno. You could ask Abdel-Rahman. Or McVeigh. > [@](#): > > Of course they aren’t. They have a sponsor for skip day. If they time it right they can tour the Smithsonian over the weekend. No reply is warranted. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/85 "2018-04-26T00:13:30Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Stand on the steps of the capital with a $20 bullhorn. > > This was a rally bought and paid for by a political party who used children to hide behind. It was a politically risk-free TV soundbite. It’s impressive how dismissive you are of school shooting survivors. Truly a wonder to behold. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/86 "2018-04-26T00:29:11Z")
Y’know, if you’re going to make this out to be an issue with two sides, then it would behoove you to not place yourself on the same side as psychopaths who murder children. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/87 "2018-04-26T02:49:42Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > It’s impressive how dismissive you are of school shooting survivors. Truly a wonder to behold. I’m dismissing the adults who are using them to further a political agenda on the ramp-up to the next election. The children are being used. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/88 "2018-04-26T02:57:26Z")
Calling the children props isn’t dismissive? They have no agency of their own, no ability to critically think on the things that have impacted their lives? Might as well use mannequins next time, apparently. **Magiver** can see through all that other bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/89 "2018-04-26T06:16:09Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > There are, indeed, some people on the left who are literally calling for gun confiscation. Every time you see someone post that we need the same gun laws that Australia and Japan has, that’s what they are saying. I wish they’d stop saying this. I don’t agree with them at all. I think their rhetoric just gives validation to the worst of the PRO-gun talking points. But nonetheless they are free to put forth their position, as are all of us. And you’re free to disagree with them of course. But the thing about “gives validation to the worst of the PRO-gun talking points” I personally think is misguided. The gun control side has been beaten down into believing that we must find some “center ground” with the NRA and not come across as “gun grabbers”, and what has it got us? I say fuck em. The country _would be_ better with australia or Japan style gun control. If that option was on the table I’d take it. I will freely admit it’s not a \*practical \*proposition: the country’s awash with guns and the idea that you need to have a gun in your home in case, I dunno, the langoliers show up, is too ingrained. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/90 "2018-04-26T07:14:29Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Are you saying that more shootings are necessary for full gun control to be passed? Necessary? No. Nothing is necessary but convincing the people. But, from a practical standpoint? It’s extremely likely. The winds may finally be starting to change, but we’re just at the beginning. There is no reason to believe that laws will be passed before the next shooting, and there is every reason to believe that it will take another emotional event to break another hole in the emotional wall that has been built up. There’s a reason why the lobbying to do something to prevent tragedies tends to happen after a relevant tragedy. That’s when people are least able to put up their blinders. That’s when the “it can’t happen to me or mine” feeling is the weakest. That is when the moments of clarity of just how bad these tragedies are hits home. That’s when you can break through the default response. I wish that weren’t the only time, but humanity still has trouble with “care about other people as much as yourself.” I still face opposition when I point out this obvious piece of morality. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/91 "2018-04-26T09:13:46Z")
What they got was what the “liberty vs security” argument looks like in real life. They wanted gun control, since gun control doesn’t affect them, and they saw no liberty interest. Now they’ve got annoying security and clear backpacks, which probably is making them a lot safer, but they’d rather be slightly less safe and not have to deal with all that. Many of them will learn something from that and become awesome libertarianish types. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/92 "2018-04-26T11:56:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They wanted gun control, since gun control doesn’t affect them The _hell_? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/93 "2018-04-26T12:48:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They wanted gun control, since gun control doesn’t affect them, I guess not, _after_ the massacre. Seeking gun control now is like locking the barn door after somebody walked in and shot all the horses. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/94 "2018-04-26T13:41:00Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’m dismissing the adults who are using them to further a political agenda on the ramp-up to the next election. The children are being used. I guess everyone the NRA has funded to further \*\*their \*\*agenda is also being “used”, has no agency of their own and can be dismissed. Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/95 "2018-04-26T14:19:35Z")
@ **ElvisLives** : I think what \*\*adaher \*\*meant was that the Parkland students aren’t gun owners themselves, and so gun restrictions or gun confiscation wouldn’t “affect” them in the sense of taking any of their guns away - they had no guns to lose. But the clear backpacks and TSA-like lines do affect them in the sense of inconveniencing them. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/96 "2018-04-26T14:41:46Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > @ **ElvisLives** : > > I think what \*\*adaher \*\*meant was that the Parkland students aren’t gun owners themselves, and so gun restrictions or gun confiscation wouldn’t “affect” them in the sense of taking any of their guns away - they had no guns to lose. No guns. Just lives. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/97 "2018-04-26T15:02:42Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’m dismissing the adults who are using them to further a political agenda on the ramp-up to the next election. The children are being used. Yeah…as targets. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/98 "2018-04-26T17:19:23Z")
And they’re no longer children. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/99 "2018-04-26T18:14:57Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > @ **ElvisLives** : > > I think what \*\*adaher \*\*meant was that the Parkland students aren’t gun owners themselves, and so gun restrictions or gun confiscation wouldn’t “affect” them in the sense of taking any of their guns away - they had no guns to lose. > > But the clear backpacks and TSA-like lines do affect them in the sense of inconveniencing them. Which is impressive, because I want stricter gun control. If that “slippery slopes” all the way to full registration and confiscation, then I guess I’ll have to give up my firearms as well. Hell, almost a third of NRA members (miniscule number that is) are on board with a national firearm purchase registry. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221/100 "2018-04-26T19:23:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > What they got was what the “liberty vs security” argument looks like in real life. They wanted gun control, since gun control doesn’t affect them, and they saw no liberty interest. Now they’ve got annoying security and clear backpacks, which probably is making them a lot safer, but they’d rather be slightly less safe and not have to deal with all that. Many of them will learn something from that and become awesome libertarianish types. What they wanted was actual security. What they got was security theater. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-parkland-students-really-get-what-they-wanted/812221.md?page=6)