# Did the Romans Eat Spaghetti ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [September 23, 2002, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-romans-eat-spaghetti/129355 "2002-09-23T22:42:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jezzaOZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9a28c/32.png) [@jezzaOZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jezzaOZ)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-romans-eat-spaghetti/129355/1 "2002-09-23T22:42:07Z")
I refer to Cecil’s column [http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1\_102.html](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_102.html) which had a throw-away line about the Romans of Claudius’s time eating pasta. I thought spaghetti wasn’t seriously taken up by the Romans until about 1000 years ago? Either by getting the idea from the Chinese or a parallel evolution at home? Reading Tacitus I only see references to bread, not pasta. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-romans-eat-spaghetti/129355/2 "2002-09-23T23:24:45Z")
According to [this site](http://www.ilovepasta.org/factsaboutpasta.html): > [@](#): > > Contrary to popular belief, Marco Polo did not discover pasta. The ancient Italians made pasta much like we do today. Although Marco Polo wrote about eating Chinese pasta at the court of Kubla Khan, he probably didn’t introduce pasta to Italy. In fact, there’s evidence suggesting the Etruscans made pasta as early as 400 B.C. The evidence lies in a bas-relief carving in a cave about 30 miles north of Rome. The carving depicts instruments for making pasta - a rolling-out table, pastry wheel and flour bin. And further proof that Marco Polo didn’t “discover” pasta is found in the will of Ponzio Baestone, a Genoan soldier who requested “bariscella peina de macarone” - a small basket of macaroni. His will is dated 1279, 16 years before Marco Polo returned from China. ---
**Author:** ![jezzaOZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9a28c/32.png) [@jezzaOZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jezzaOZ)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-romans-eat-spaghetti/129355/3 "2002-09-24T00:30:11Z")
> [@](#): > > there’s evidence suggesting the Etruscans made pasta as early as 400 B.C. The evidence lies in a bas-relief carving in a cave about 30 miles north of Rome. The carving depicts instruments for making pasta - a rolling-out table, pastry wheel and flour bin. The equipment described sounds pretty handy for making bread. Don’t you have any harder (ha ha) evidence, such as fossilised macaroni, or even better a recipe using it? All my Roman recipe books use bread, wine, fish and oil. etc Check out [http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/ethnic/ancient-rome/index.html](http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/ethnic/ancient-rome/index.html) for recipes from MARCUS GAVIUS APICIUS: DE RE COQUINARIA ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-romans-eat-spaghetti/129355/4 "2002-09-24T01:18:21Z")
According to [this page](http://www.professionalpasta.it/Dir_9/c_cron_2_1.htm), which seems pretty comprehensive, the ancient _laganum_ (mentioned in De Re Coquinaria) was the ancestor of lasagne. However, my Latin dictionary defines _laganum_ as a small “cake” of oil and flour. ---
**Author:** ![sjc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@sjc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sjc)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-romans-eat-spaghetti/129355/5 "2004-08-15T19:25:07Z")
I don’t exactly feel like this has been yet settled by the cites given. I’m with JezzaOZ in thinking that the equipment as described in the cite by colibri seems to be just as good for making bread. I’d also like to know what Cecil meant when he said that Cicero ate pasta, did he meant that there is a reference to pasta in Cicero’s writings? I think that the Italians probably did have pasta before Marco Polo, but I’d like stronger evidence than that provided. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-romans-eat-spaghetti/129355/6 "2004-08-15T20:01:56Z")
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