# Did the US save Europe in WWII? And from whom? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 23, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-us-save-europe-in-wwii-and-from-whom/276297 "2004-11-23T16:29:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-us-save-europe-in-wwii-and-from-whom/276297/21 "2011-12-30T20:00:21Z")
What would have happened if the British had never entered the war? Or, more importantly, what would have happened in the Soviets had not been forced to enter the war? What would America be like today if the Germans had achieved their goals in Europe and Asia? I find these equally interesting questions; unfortunately, nobody else seems to. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-us-save-europe-in-wwii-and-from-whom/276297/22 "2011-12-30T22:14:43Z")
> [@LtMelon](#): > > The U.S. was suppose to be neutral that means they don’t pick sides. I believe we should have extended the lend lease act to japan and never cut off supplies to them. when they bombed pearl harbor they didn’t think they could actually defeat us they just want to reconnect their supplies. why does it matter if England is getting fucked. England is in all out war with Germany why do their china and others matterif they cant defend themselves. China was in a civil war fighting for communism anyways. we hated the soviets because of they were communist. If we left Japan alone then they would have invade Russia and probable would have won. A fascist europe and asia is better than communist one. > > I know this is badly written but im lazy I don’t get it. Are you arguing that Germany and Japan were the good guys in ww2? ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-us-save-europe-in-wwii-and-from-whom/276297/23 "2011-12-30T22:20:43Z")
> [@LtMelon](#): > > The U.S. was suppose to be neutral that means they don’t pick sides. I believe we should have extended the lend lease act to japan and never cut off supplies to them. when they bombed pearl harbor they didn’t think they could actually defeat us they just want to reconnect their supplies. why does it matter if England is getting fucked. England is in all out war with Germany why do their china and others matterif they cant defend themselves. China was in a civil war fighting for communism anyways. we hated the soviets because of they were communist. If we left Japan alone then they would have invade Russia and probable would have won. A fascist europe and asia is better than communist one. > > I know this is badly written but im lazy Good point, well made. And in a timely fashion too. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-us-save-europe-in-wwii-and-from-whom/276297/24 "2011-12-30T23:23:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > This thread is older than the length of WWII. Well played sir! ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-us-save-europe-in-wwii-and-from-whom/276297/25 "2012-01-01T01:48:16Z")
> [@LtMelon](#): > > The U.S. was suppose to be neutral that means they don’t pick sides. Nonsense. Plenty of neutral countries still favour one country over the other. > [@](#): > > I believe we should have extended the lend lease act to japan and never cut off supplies to them. WTF? Ever heard of the Rape of Nanking? Not to mention from a purely practical point of view that Japan conquering China would have tremendous amounts of resources and power. > [@](#): > > when they bombed pearl harbor they didn’t think they could actually defeat us they just want to reconnect their supplies. They nonetheless killed thousands of American sailors and blew up dozens of warships. > [@](#): > > why does it matter if England is getting fucked. Because it is one of the few countries that were free? > [@](#): > > England is in all out war with Germany why do their china and others matterif they cant defend themselves. China was in a civil war fighting for communism anyways. The Communists were fairly minor in China in 1941. > [@](#): > > we hated the soviets because of they were communist. True but we had to defeat the Nazis and the Bushidoists first. > [@](#): > > If we left Japan alone then they would have invade Russia and probable would have won. No it wouldn’t. Japan didn’t want to join in Barabossa after they got crushed by the Soviets in the Battle of Khalkin Gol. > [@](#): > > A fascist europe and asia is better than communist one. No it wouldn’t because first of all it would have been a Nazi Europe not merely a fascist one where millions of Jews and other “undesirables” would have murdered. The Soviet brutality reached its limits, the Nazis did not. The Soviets and Brits could have won World War II without us but at an insane cost-the war drags on a few more years probably and the Soviets reach the Rhine or even the Atlantic while the Brits develop the A-Bomb first. This means a largely Communist Europe, Japan in a Chinese quagmire, a few million more dead Soviets, a few hundred thousand more dead Brits, a few more million from the Holocaust, no Marshall Plan and no reconstruction of Europe, and you’ve got the nucleus for the Eurasian superstate of 1984. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-us-save-europe-in-wwii-and-from-whom/276297/26 "2012-01-01T02:47:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > This thread is older than the length of WWII. You’re right, and for some reason I find this depressing ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-us-save-europe-in-wwii-and-from-whom/276297/27 "2012-01-01T03:04:55Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > You’re right, and for some reason I find this depressing ☹ You wish WW2 would have lasted longer, perhaps ? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PrettyVacant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@PrettyVacant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PrettyVacant)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-us-save-europe-in-wwii-and-from-whom/276297/28 "2012-01-01T14:04:43Z")
Had Germany not declared war on the USA after Pearl Harbor - not Hitler’s brightest move - surely emphasis for the Soviet/British forces would have been the Balkan and Middle East oil fields - strangle the fuckers. The Soviets would have done most of the heavy lifting on Terre firma and the UK at sea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-the-us-save-europe-in-wwii-and-from-whom/276297.md?page=1)