What evidence do you have that she would do something like this? Such a strong thing to say about a prosecutor when you haven’t even seen the defendant’s statement, let alone all the other evidence the State has gathered.
Where are you getting “pacing” from? first it was circling and now it’s pacing.
On the 911 call he said: “Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out”. The next reference to movement is: “he’s running”.
This is what he said in real time to the 911 Dispatcher. If Martin walks from the clubhouse to the sidewalk he has to walk on the street at which point he has to walk around Zimmerman’s car, not circle it, walk around as in a half circle arc.
And when you get done splitting hairs over this, explain how it affects any of the other evidence as it relates to the only thing that matters, the physical confrontation.
Your conclusion here is wrong.
Zimmerman can testify to what happened without using his prior statement. He can reach his burden that way. Why would he need to use his statement?
Actually, that is exactly what forensic technitions do. A pistol fired while held against a persons skin would leave an imprint of the muzzle on the skin when the skin is push out by the force of the bullet and gas entering the entrance would. A pistol fired from a distance of 1 to 18 inches from a body would leave stippling in the skin. If someone were to say that they had shot someone from across a large room but there were indications of stippling, or vice versa, that person ain’t telling the truth. Forensic evidence can prove a negative.
I’m not sure if Martin circled Zimmerman’s car or just walked past it. Zimmerman didn’t shoot Martin from his car.
Zimmerman’s statement to the police is considered evidence and will be presented in court by the police officer taking the statement.
Zimmerman has the option of testifying on his own behalf or saying nothing, if there is a trial.
I have no idea what you’re talking about or how you arrived at it. According to the 911 call Zimmerman spotted Martin at the clubhouse. Martin walked toward and around Zimmerman’s truck (presumably making eye contact) and then either ran down the street and cut between the houses or ran on the sidewalk cut-through that goes behind the houses. Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and and continued talking with the police for 2 minutes while looking for him.
I agree. This is a sham trial to appease “some” of the public. The lynch-mob types who offers $10,000 for the capture (kidnapping) or killing (premeditated murder) of Zimmerman inspite of the fact there was no warrant issued for Zimmerman’s arrest and the morons in the “entertainment” field who gave out the wrong address for Zimmerman and the liars at NBC/MSNBC who falsified video and audio recordings and allowed one of their talk show hosts (Sharpton) to lead the lynch mobs thru the streets.
From the article I linked to. The words circling around on foot were used, according to the source. Pacing is just another way of saying the kid was walking around him. Not just walking in his general direction, but orbiting him in some fashion.
Notice that he never says that the kid has actually approached him though. Nothing about the kid circling around him. On the call, Zimmerman made it seem as though the kid is still some distance away and is merely walking towards him. Not standing inches away from his window. If that were the case, we would expect him to say “Oh shit, hurry up because he’s standing right by me, and I’m afraid to say something to him”.
Even if you believe that Martin had actually approached his truck at this part of the 911 dialogue, you still have to make fit in with Martin suddenly running away and Zimmerman getting out of his car to chase him. What would cause either one of these events to happen all of a sudden, if we’re supposed to believe Martin had accosted Zimmerman in his truck and made Z so afraid of a confrontation that he rolled up his window?
The video from the clubhouse is one of the exhibits. Again, this is something the prosecutor has looked at that the public has not. If what Zimmerman claims is known to be false, it very well might be because the feed on that tape contradicts his story. So it probably doesn’t matter what explanations you can concoct to make things kinda sorta fit.
If he takes the stand and is cross-examined, how likely is it that the prosecution won’t ask him about his police statement?
Before an arrest warrant is issued, the prosecutor has to produce evidence of a “specific” crime to a judge.
Corey did not produce evidence of 2nd degree murder to the judge but demanded that Zimmerman be charged with 2nd degree murder anyway. Same thing at the bond hearing. Corey has now threatened to sue a Harvard law professor for pointing out that FACT of law.
Corey never made a case for 2nd degree murder. Possibly manslaughter, but not 2nd degree. Therefore, Zimmerman should not have been charged with 2nd degree.
I am sorry but I seemed to have missed any reference to this in the thread. I do try to pay attention, but it seems the thread might have grown too large and moved too fast. So if you have cited the evidence of Martin’s body position before, could you please do so again?
I am yet unaware of those facts, and as you say, they could be very important.
again could this be cited please, about the Harvard Professor and Corey’s threats?
In order to go from point A to point B he has to go around the truck. I literally don’t understand what point you’re trying to make. There are 2 minutes of additional talk between Zimmerman and the Dispatcher after he says Martin took off. Nowhere in this time frame does Zimmerman acknowledge finding Martin. There isn’t anything relevant to discuss beyond the concept that they presumably made eye contact and at this point Martin took off.
She did and the judge accepted it.
Notice that no one who is conversant with all the facts in this case has filed any motions to dismiss the charges against Zimmerman? If Dershowitz is so confident that Corey has overcharged Z, the person he should be faulting is O’Mara. It’s his job to keep his client out of jail, right? And if it’s so obvious that the charges are without merit, then it would be incompetent of O’Mara not to point that out to the court.
And yet O’Mara hasn’t done so.
Gee, I wonder why.
I think you must have missed the breaking information. Or…I’m just giving you way too much benefit of the doubt.
Zimmerman apparently told others that Martin had been circling his truck–hungry shark-style–while Zimmerman had been on the phone. Not circling from a distance, but circling so close that Zimmerman felt compelled to roll up in his window in fear.
If true, why wouldn’t Zimmerman have indicated this on the phone with the dispatcher?
If true, why would Zimmerman had gotten out of his truck to follow Martin? There would have been no need to follow him because he would have been right there. And if he was so afraid, why would he have gotten out of his truck?
If true, what made Martin stop circling the truck so that the two ended up all the way over into the grass?
you with the face’s point is that if Zimmerman played up this part of the story to the police, someone needs to address these dangling questions.
Why isn’t his statement hearsay?
Isn’t hearsay an out of court statement, offered into evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted?
Also a good point. On its face, I think the warrant is deficient.
But O’Mara hasn’t pushed the issue. And he has seen all the evidence.
Which leads to the idea that at the minimum there is a question for a jury to resolve, which could mean there is no more than the evidence we have, although one would think they’d have something we don’t have. But they don’t have to.
Whatever your purpose for this one, I know it isn’t cause you don’t know better. Sheesh.
What we know that he said directly is that Martin looked messed up, approached his truck, and then took off. What you’re describing is second hand accounts of what he told other people. If Martin walked around the truck and Zimmerman told someone he circled around the truck that gets translated in the retelling to “circling” around the truck. It’s meaningless information to the trial. All that will be established in court is that Martin and Zimmerman made eye contact, Martin walked around the truck and then took off. Looking at the map Zimmerman would have been parked on the corner of the curve which makes the trip around his car 270 degrees.
Why would he mention it to the Dispatcher? He was in the middle of a conversation and not a singular commentary of what was going on. He talked about Martin approaching his car and then running.
Because he ran and then cut through to the back of the houses which was witnessed by someone who saw 2 people run by and the final location which matches witness testimony as to where the physical confrontation occurred.
Martin lost sight of him and followed. Where is the conflict with the 911 call or any of the other evidence?