# Did Trevor Smith beat Bladder Cancer with Cannabis Oil, Vitamins and a restrictive Diet? Did anyone?

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**Created:** [March 20, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613 "2016-03-20T02:55:38Z")\
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**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/21 "2016-03-20T15:07:19Z")

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Even if the plant itself cannot be patented, the process to extract the active ingredients and the method of administering those compounds can be patented.

Did Taxol not get approved because it was extracted from yew trees? Did yew bark tea ever help a statistically significant number of people?

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/22 "2016-03-20T15:59:06Z")

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> [@Squink](#):
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> **bardos** : I’d tell ya’ll which plant it is, but that would drive up the price.

Then why bother posting at all? Nothing impresses me less then a a claim of “soopersekrit knowledge”…followed by a smug rufusal to share it.

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**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/23 "2016-03-20T15:59:49Z")

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> [@bardos](#):
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> Repeat: Only if there were money in it. Check out the data on the development of new antibiotics and why it is not happening even though they are badly needed

New antibiotics are not being developed because there’s just so many that can be produced before bacteria ends up being immune to every single one. That’s why you have to complete your antibiotic courses to the end, to avoid creating resistant strands.

If the pharmaceutical industry were as evil and corrupt as you suggest, they WOULD create new antibiotics and cash in on the new patents now, instead of holding them, which is not particularly good business.

> [@watchwolf49](#):
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> The OP claims the cancer went away using a common herb and lifestyle changes. How does the medical industry make money on peoples eating more vegetables? That’s a rhetorical question, it doesn’t need an answer.
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> I’ve heard these types of claims before and they tend to come and go. Back in the 1970’s we had a fairly widespread claim that wheatgrass juice was the ultimate cure of cancer. I’d guess the actual cases of cure run about the same rate as misdiagnosis. As we’ve gotten better at detecting actual cancer, the less these stories pop up.
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> Preventing cancer is not profitable, that takes YOU changing your lifestyle NOW.

Because synthesizing the active ingredients and selling them as in _“take one of these daily and you’ll never get cancer”_ would be the biggest cash cow ever.

However that won’t happen because that’s not how cancer works: cancer is not a virus or a bacteria that can be targeted by any pill or lifestyle change, cancer is one of our own cells mutating and growing uncontrollably. You can boost your immunological system as much as you want, that our own cells won’t be recognized as a threat.

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**Author:** ![bardos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bardos/32/1069_2.png) [@bardos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bardos)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/24 "2016-03-20T16:03:47Z")

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> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> Then why bother posting at all? Nothing impresses me less then a a claim of “soopersekrit knowledge”…followed by a smug rufusal to share it.

Sir/Madam, forum member bardos did not write that, it was an attempt at sarcasm by another poster.

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**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/25 "2016-03-20T16:05:04Z")

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I think the most succinct answer to OP’s question is “highly unlikely, but we can’t prove a negative.”

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**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/26 "2016-03-20T16:08:16Z")

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And really, cancer prevention and cancer treatment are two separate issues. Once a person develops a cancer it is absolutely irrelevant what they could have done to avoid it; you might as well tell a person with a broken leg that they shouldn’t have been skiing that way. You now treat the problem and don’t lecture the victim on what they should have done.

A healthy lifestyle can help prevent many health problems but so much damage is done to your systems long before any consequences of that damage is seen.

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**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/27 "2016-03-20T17:12:28Z")

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> [@RivkahChaya](#):
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> I vote for spontaneous remission.

I vote for BS. I see every possible combination of miracle cures on the Internet.

Nothing beats cancer like a mallet. The side effects aren’t pretty though.

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**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/28 "2016-03-20T17:19:18Z")

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> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> Then why bother posting at all? Nothing impresses me less then a a claim of “soopersekrit knowledge”…followed by a smug rufusal to share it.

That’s nice. I feel so enlightened by your comment, I think I shall go make some deviled eggs. rufusul???  
Are you just pissy today, or what?

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**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/29 "2016-03-20T17:23:45Z")

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> [@DrFidelius](#):
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> Even if the plant itself cannot be patented, the process to extract the active ingredients and the method of administering those compounds can be patented.
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> Did Taxol not get approved because it was extracted from yew trees? Did yew bark tea ever help a statistically significant number of people?

And vincristine from the periwinkle plant?

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**Author:** ![SandyHook](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@SandyHook](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SandyHook)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/30 "2016-03-20T17:25:45Z")

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> [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser](#):
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> However that won’t happen because that’s not how cancer works: cancer is not a virus or a bacteria that can be targeted by any pill or lifestyle change, cancer is one of our own cells mutating and growing uncontrollably. You can boost your immunological system as much as you want, that our own cells won’t be recognized as a threat.

The part about the body not being able to recognize the cancer cells isn’t so much true any more.

Late last year I was diagnosed with stage 4 melanoma in my lung. It was found very early and it was a small tumor, 8mm. My first thought was, “Lets get in there and hack that sucker out and be done with it.” Was told surgery wasn’t an option.

In early December they started me on pembrolizumab, one of a set of new drugs developed to fight melanoma. It’s a course of eight infusions three weeks apart. The drug works by blocking a protein on the cancer cell that acts to hide the cancer from the bodies immuno system. When it works correctly the body can ‘see’ the cancer just fine. Just before the fourth treatment I had a pet scan and the tumor was over 99% gone. And as icing on the cake there have been almost no bad side effects with the exception of sometimes feeling a little tired. You may remember Jimmy Carter being ‘cured’ of melanoma of the lung, liver and brain last August. He was on a different drug but the using the same approach.

On the whole the this new (only released for general use last October I think) has been extremely successful.

While this approach presently only works, far as I know, on melanoma I strongly suspect a lot of research is being done on adapting it for other types of cancer. So there’s hope that the whole ‘body can’t find the cancer to fight it’ thing might be coming to an end.

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**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/31 "2016-03-20T17:34:10Z")

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> [@SandyHook](#):
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> The part about the body not being able to recognize the cancer cells isn’t so much true any more.
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> Late last year I was diagnosed with stage 4 melanoma in my lung. It was found very early and it was a small tumor, 8mm. My first thought was, “Lets get in there and hack that sucker out and be done with it.” Was told surgery wasn’t an option.
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> In early December they started me on pembrolizumab, one of a set of new drugs developed to fight melanoma. It’s a course of eight infusions three weeks apart. The drug works by blocking a protein on the cancer cell that acts to hide the cancer from the bodies immuno system. When it works correctly the body can ‘see’ the cancer just fine. Just before the fourth treatment I had a pet scan and the tumor was over 99% gone. And as icing on the cake there have been almost no bad side effects with the exception of sometimes feeling a little tired. You may remember Jimmy Carter being ‘cured’ of melanoma of the lung, liver and brain last August. He was on a different drug but the using the same approach.
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> On the whole the this new (only released for general use last October I think) has been extremely successful.
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> While this approach presently only works, far as I know, on melanoma I strongly suspect a lot of research is being done on adapting it for other types of cancer. So there’s hope that the whole ‘body can’t find the cancer to fight it’ thing might be coming to an end.

That’s really good to know, thanks.

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**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/32 "2016-03-20T17:50:25Z")

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> [@Mighty\_Girl](#):
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> Lucky that neither doctors nor medical researchers and their families ever get cancer.

This. So much this. If the scientific evidence existed that a cure for cancer could be found in something like beetroot juice and linseed oil medical professions would be advising their loved ones to take it.

If there is not enough scientific evidence yet than any claim that big pharma isn’t researching it thoroughly because they won’t see a sound fiscal return is nothing but tinfoil hattery.

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**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/33 "2016-03-20T18:06:56Z")

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I’m just not seeing the 5% threshold of inconsistencies to generate any legitimate crackpotism. It’s pretty rare for a cancer patient to have their cancer just up and disappear on them. We’d have to see 1 of 20 ratio for all reasons and we don’t see anything close to this. The whole financial angle would be credible if that was the only consideration. But it’s not, there’s going to be some shmuck who wants his name in lights, maybe even meet the Queen of Sweden.

If there’s a piece to the puzzle in the OP, it will be found and added to our understanding. Whatever cure is found, it still won’t cure death.

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**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\
**Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/34 "2016-03-20T21:34:41Z")

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> [@RivkahChaya](#):
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> …
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> We all know that mega doses of vitamin C don’t do a damn thing. …
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> B17 is a code word for laetrile.
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> \<mega snip\>

Vitamin C AND Laetrile.

Amazing - I hadn’t heard of a New! Suppressed by the Medical Establishment! 100% _Cancer **CURE** _! using either of those magical compounds for forty years, and here they are, back for another romp through the desperate and deluded.

Sad. Incredibly Sad.

And it is the real medical workers who are the ones motivated by greed.  
The bozos hawking Magical Cures at $10,000 for a concoction of weeds and oils.  
But: Now we have Marijuana as a new exciting drug! We’ll add that to the mix and it’ll sound au courant!

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**Author:** ![bardos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bardos/32/1069_2.png) [@bardos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bardos)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/36 "2016-06-06T13:15:50Z")

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Taking Control: Thank you for relating this story in your post.

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**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/37 "2016-06-06T13:44:10Z")

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> [@Taking\_Control](#):
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> The full story of our journey of healing……. So much more was done and continues to be done to keep Trevor cancer free than what is being shared by others but yes we did it without the Cut poison and burn the only conventional treatment he had was laser surgery to remove tumors and BCG which is only used to help fight against superficial tumors. Trevors Cancer was  
> muscle invasive and aggressive…this is our testimonial, it is a little longer than 5 lines but it is all of the truth which needs to be shared…We live in the Middle East and 3 years 9 months ago, my husband was told by a prominent Urologist and surgeon that he had stage T2A bladder cancer which was aggressive and that to survive, he would need to have Chemo, radiation and radical surgery to not only remove his bladder and prostate, but to remove his intestines and have a neo bladder built from them so that he can pass urine. He was just 52 at the time. We had a second opinion in our own Country, which again gave us the same prognosis within the same month. What the Dr’s forgot to tell us was if he took this operation, the chances of him living longer than 4 years were very slim and also they refrained from telling us he would be incontinent for up to a year and also impotent at age 52.
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> Fear is a terrible thing and fear is ripe when we hear the word Cancer. The saying, “Frightened to death” is really what happens to the body once you believe there is only one way to treat this terrible disease.
> 
> I hoped that sharing our story might give the reader at least some hope that there is another way. Our belief system does not have to be locked we can open up our minds to think for ourselves, inform ourselves and learn not to just accept our “fate”
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> We spoke again to the Urologist and told him we needed more time to research alternative treatments and modalities, and we would not take the Chemo just yet, we were already looking into different therapies, both of us are concerned with the quality of his life after surgery and both of us needed time to digest all of this dreadful news, the Oncologist and the Surgeon try to impress on us that we need to think very carefully about the surgery, the Surgeon had already got a date in his diary to proceed with removing his bladder, within the following 6 weeks…We felt like we were being railroaded into the surgery far too fast and we needed to slow it all down a little so we could have time to digest everything. Something was screaming at me to take some time before making this radical decision.
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> I began first researching this natural cancer cure in the form of Essiac, given its name by Rene Caisse (“Caisse” spelt backwards); this herbal cure consists of four main herbs that grow in the wilderness of Ontario, Canada. The original formula is believed to have its roots from the native Canadian Ojibwa Indians. The four main herbs that make up Essiac are Burdock Root, Slippery Elm Inner Bark,  
> My husband started on this medicine within a week of him being diagnosed, Then we made an appointment with a naturopathic Dr and we asked for her help in co Doctoring my husband each step of the way as we try the alternative approach. Dr did all of his blood tests to find out what he was lacking to make his immune system be so depleted and we found out he was almost completely depleted of vitamin D even though he lived in a hot and sunny climate. We put together a plan of action to continue to work with the conventional tests MRI and scans and also many vitamins and supplements and complete diet and lifestyle change. The conventional Dr’s gave my husband 18 months to 2 years to live if we did not do the surgery and the chemo. We did none of them, only natural healing with vitamins diet and lifestyle change and cannabis oil. I first saw the movie about Cannabis oil as a medicine in November 2012 but it took me until April of 2013 to find the oil made with a natural food grade Alcohol. It has been hard work for me as a wife, I never stopped my research for 1 day in the last 3 years 9 months but today I can say he is cancer free and has been now for almost 3 years, he still has his bladder in tact. He has been cancer free now for the last 12 cystoscopies, 35 months Cancer free April 2016 he has no metastasis to other organs. He had an MRI in July last year to check whole body which will be performed once yearly….We have every one of his medical records, every laser surgery to remove tumors has been recorded on Cd’s and we even have the biopsy slides with pieces of the tumors that were graded as being aggressive and muscle invasive. ( owing to the fact we traveled from here to Uk and back between two surgeons) We still have to have regular check ups but to think he was told he has 18 months to live if he did not remove his bladder, prostate and some Intestines and to have chemo and radiation, I am so happy to also say as a side effect of all we did, his cholesterol went back to normal as did his blood pressure, he looks ten to 15 years younger and feels so much better than he ever did and it is shocking that we are led to believe that there is no cure for Cancer, our story is living proof there is another way and I am now consumed, like many other’s with only getting the word out that Cancer does not need to mean death. We just lost over 3 years or more of our lives to cancer and yet it has turned out to be the most important time of our life too, I found what I was put on the earth to do and that is to be part of something life changing, as the world wakes up to there being another way to heal Cancer and it is just through natural healing and giving our body just what it needs to repair itself!! Taking Control of your own body means you too can heal yourself, first and foremost with proper diet and nutrition and vitamin therapy, a complete lifestyle change and Natural God given plant extracts. I wrote a book about all we did and it is now available on amazon. Alyssia Sade’ “Taking Control” My Journey of alternative healing, I also set up this fb page Alyssia Sade” please have a look, my research is all on there and contact me if you have any questions on that page .
> 
> My husband Stopped smoking 30 cigarettes a day, he began a spiritual healing therapy called Journey work, he completely changed the way he eats, he has no dairy or sugar, no white flour or white potatoes, he has mainly a plant based diet with a little fish or chicken and no processed food, pastries meats cheeses etc, he has green juices and smoothies daily and lot’s of execize. The protocol consisted first with Essiac He had mega doses of vitamin C and D3, vitamin B17, K2, detox powder’s initially, then he had DHEA to build his immune system back so that his body could heal itself, then a year after doing all of this, we found the oil and added that to all we had done, he did 90 days on the oil and it was the hardest part of our journey. He has now stopped taking cannabis oil, many people say you need a maintenance dose but living in Dubai it is impossible for us to do. He no longer takes mega doses of vitamin C or D but continues to do everything in a lesser dosage, he has added Tranfactor 4 life supplement which is made from grass fed cow’s colostrum, similar to Mother’s first milk, an immune booster for babies. We have also recently fitted a Kangen water machine, which gives him Alkaline water to drink each day, it will be worth everyone doing a little research themselves on all the products we used. We continue to monitor his health closely. It has been hard for the past 3 years, but we are slowly getting our life back to normal. He will never go back to eating or treating his body the way he did, this was a wake up call for him to change the way he lives, but it is a success story which I will continue to tell the world about.
> 
> ‪[http://www.amazon.co.uk/Taking-Control.../dp/1491897481‬](http://www.amazon.co.uk/Taking-Control.../dp/1491897481%E2%80%AC)

Yeah, but what about Big Pharma!?

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**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/38 "2016-06-06T13:57:35Z")

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Amazing, cancer cure rates with natural remedies is _exactly_ the same as cancer misdiagnosed …

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**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/39 "2016-06-06T14:03:36Z")

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> [@Taking\_Control](#):
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> it will be worth everyone doing a little research themselves on all the products we used.

So how much are you being paid by the manufacturers of all of these products?

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**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/40 "2016-06-06T14:21:01Z")

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> [@Taking\_Control](#):
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> We have also recently fitted a Kangen water machine, which gives him Alkaline water to drink each day, it will be worth everyone doing a little research themselves on all the products we used.

Anyone doing any amount of quality research on Kangen machines will find they are only good at separating fools from their money. They can’t chemically work they way they are described and what they produce can’t have the effects they claim. The body simply isn’t sensitive to the pH of what we eat and drink in the manner described.

If on the other hand your research consists completely on talking charlatans and their dupes at their word …

> **["Ionized" and alkaline water: snake oil on tap](http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html)**
>
> A chemist looks at the crackpot claims about "ionized" water, alkaline water, and the worthless electrolysis machines alleged to produce it.

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**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-trevor-smith-beat-bladder-cancer-with-cannabis-oil-vitamins-and-a-restrictive-diet-did-anyone/749613/41 "2016-06-06T15:39:50Z")

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I love that anything they did is “natural,” even when it includes cannabis oil extracts, used gawd knows how, “D17” (laetrile), megavitamins that wouldn’t be possible without laboratory extraction or synthesis (that mega C is not from eating 3,000 oranges a day), and magic water machines, while anything they didn’t do they didn’t do because they reject the “unnatural.”

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