# Did we all see the same movie? Avengers

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**Post date:** [August 30, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-all-see-the-same-movie-avengers/633100/40 "2012-08-30T19:36:02Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> No, Superman (the first with Chris Reeve) was the best\*. Avengers was the second best and the most fun.
> 
> - if that had not been made, Superhero films would have likely continued in their B movie role.

I doubt that this is true.

Firstly, it’s often very presumptuous to assume that a particular historical development would never have happened if one particular person or group hadn’t done it.

Also, it seems to me that the development of increasingly sophisticated effects technology would likely have been a natural boost for superhero films, even in the absence of Superman. I think it’s just as plausible to argue that a key reason for the B-movie status of superhero films was due, at least in part, precisely to the fact that it’s hard to make superheroes do their stuff without lots of money and/or visual effects. It seems like a genre that was, in some ways, waiting for technology to catch up with imagination and ambition.

> [@silenus](#):
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> Let’s see…#3 on the Top Grossing Movies of All-Time list with $1,491,800,446 brought in worldwide to date. 12 weeks after release it was still bringing in over a million dollars a weekend domestically.
> 
> Yep, you’re right. Pointless plot, lousy characters, totally crappy movie. Complete waste of film stock. Of course, the overwhelming majority of the planet says you’re wrong. Very, very wrong. If your opinion was a superhero, it would be Captain Wrong.

Come on, you know better than to make this sort of appeal to the masses in a thread about movies.

In a thread called “Movies you hate but everyone else seems to love,” you listed _Saving Private Ryan_, _Titanic_, and _The Sixth Sense_, and said:

> [@Movies you hate but everyone else seems to love](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-you-hate-but-everyone-else-seems-to-love/357564/5):
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> Generally I dislike the work of any number of popular directors, generally on the grounds that they **suck the life out of a movie** (Ron Howard) or are **predictable if technically proficient hacks** (Spielberg, Lucas). The problem is they have **gotten worse with each movie**. _Duel_, _Night Shift_ and _THX1138_ or _American Graffiti_ were OK movies. Ever since then…

Of course, when it comes to these three directors, the overwhelming majority of the planet says you’re wrong. Very, very wrong. If your opinion was a superhero, it would be Captain Wrong. 🙂

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