# Did we just narrowly avoid another shopping mall shooting? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 26, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793 "2021-03-26T18:47:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/1 "2021-03-26T18:47:03Z")
> [@](#): > > **An Instacart shopper believed he heard someone loading guns in a bathroom stall. Police arrested a man with 6 guns** > > An Instacart shopper who entered an Atlanta supermarket bathroom this week told police he saw an AR-15 style rifle and heard what he believed was the sound of someone loading guns in a bathroom stall. > > The witness rushed out of the bathroom and notified staff at the Publix Supermarket. When police arrived soon after, they arrested a suspect as he was exiting the bathroom – with six guns in his possession. > > The suspect, identified as 22-year-old Rico Marley, now faces a slew of charges related to the incident, which came just days after 10 people were killed in a mass shooting at a supermarket in Boulder, Colorado. > > … > > According to the [police incident report](https://www.atlantapd.org/home/showpublisheddocument?id=3819), the witness was entering the men’s restroom when he “heard clicking sounds from the bathroom stall.” > > “It sounded to him like someone was loading firearms,” an Atlanta officer wrote. “He also told me that he saw an AR-15 style rifle leaned against the wall.” > > By the time the officer arrived at Atlantic Station – a commercial and residential complex in Atlanta just north of downtown – the supermarket appeared to have been evacuated, the report says. > > The officer wrote that he donned a ballistic helmet and took his city-issued rifle into the store, where he immediately saw the suspect coming around the corner from the restroom, just feet away. The officer ordered the suspect to put his hands up and not move, the incident report says. > > “The accused appeared to be surprised when he saw us that close to him,” the officer wrote. Marley was detained without incident, the report says. [https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/us/atlanta-guns-supermarket-witness/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/us/atlanta-guns-supermarket-witness/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/2 "2021-03-26T18:58:04Z")
Whether or not he was planning to shoot the place up or was only there to “exercise his 2A rights” he and his lawyers are going to claim the second. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/3 "2021-03-26T19:00:33Z")
Even as a strong gun rights advocate, I think those “exercise their rights” people need to stop exercising their rights on private property they don’t own (stores etc.) All they are going to do is exercise their selves out of a right by being a nuisance. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/4 "2021-03-26T19:18:39Z")
Meanwhile, in Kentucky; > **[Kentucky man arrested at university hospital with guns, explosives and body...](https://www.rawstory.com/bryan-carroll-arrested/)** > > Convicted felon Bryan Carroll was charged today with 3rd degree use of weapons of mass destruction after his arrest Thursday upon leaving a University of Kentucky hospital in Lexington. Carroll, 44, was apprehended by University of Kentucky police... ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/5 "2021-03-26T21:44:39Z")
We’ve reached the point where I’m onboard with getting rid of the 2nd and confiscating. Start from scratch after that, because otherwise we’re going to see shoppers wearing tactical bullet proof vests and helmets. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/6 "2021-03-26T21:52:15Z")
I’m pretty sure that everyone who wouldn’t rather personally murder people rather than lose the right to plink cans is in favor of, if not entirely eliminating the private gun ownership, severely restricting it. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/7 "2021-03-26T21:53:35Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > We’ve reached the point where I’m onboard with getting rid of the 2nd and confiscating. Yep. Take em all. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/8 "2021-03-26T21:58:25Z")
I’m curious on what grounds the police detained the guy, or indeed even responded. I mean, you can carry all the guns you want, right? Being free to stroll through the produce section strapped up like Neo is what the Framers intended. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/9 "2021-03-26T22:21:20Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Yep. Take em all. I am sure everyone here is aware of what Australia did WRT guns. Even tho they did not take all of them away (only about 20%), they still saw improvements in public safety… Wouldn’t it be nice if we could just talk about doing something in this direction, even if just a small step? > **[Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.](https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback)** > > In the wake of the killing in Uvalde, here’s what America can learn from Australia’s response to tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/10 "2021-03-26T22:25:45Z")
Disturbing the peace at a minimum. The store was evacuated. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/11 "2021-03-26T22:45:46Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > I’m curious on what grounds the police detained the guy, or indeed even responded. I mean, you can carry all the guns you want, right? Being free to stroll through the produce section strapped up like Neo is what the Framers intended. This is one of the biggest problems with the 2nd Amendment, free-carry laws, concealed-carry, open-carry, etc. There is no difference between a law-abiding citizen, and a soon-to-be mass murderer, **up until the moment one opens fire on a crowd.** Even if one is toting AK-47s and masked up. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/12 "2021-03-26T22:47:06Z")
Yeah, even if you are a big 2A fan, come the hell on, there is a point at which you need to apply reasonableness criteria. Wanna carry in a public place? Act _like a normal person carrying_. Not like you are about to go outside the wire. > [@Smapti](#): > > Meanwhile, in Kentucky Christ… a good friend’s wife practices at a UofK Hospital in Lexington. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/13 "2021-03-26T22:50:20Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > This is one of the biggest problems with the 2nd Amendment, free-carry laws, concealed-carry, open-carry, etc. There is no difference between a law-abiding citizen, and a soon-to-be mass murderer, **up until the moment one opens fire on a crowd.** Even if one is toting AK-47s and masked up. Yeah exactly. According to the police report he was charged with: > [@police report](#): > > Criminal Attempt To Commit A Felony (OCGA: 16-4-1) 5 counts. > > Possession Of Firearm During Commission of or Attempt To Commit Felony possession (OCGA: 16-11-106) 6 counts. So apparently they determined he was planning to rob and/or shoot up the place. Anyway, he’s just lucky he wasn’t carrying a toy gun or a BB gun. The police would have shot him on sight. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/14 "2021-03-26T23:40:51Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > This is one of the biggest problems with the 2nd Amendment, free-carry laws, concealed-carry, open-carry, etc. There is no difference between a law-abiding citizen, and a soon-to-be mass murderer, **up until the moment one opens fire on a crowd.** Even if one is toting AK-47s and masked up. Most genuine supporters of the 2nd Amendment, even the ones who are kind of asses about it, don’t go around wearing body armor. Wearing body armor is not inherently a sign of bad intentions, but it changes the statistical probability considerably. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/15 "2021-03-26T23:43:15Z")
So does loading up in the bathroom! ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2021, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/16 "2021-03-27T04:01:24Z")
They’re going to “exercise” their rights away, by having a criminal record. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/17 "2021-03-27T04:12:28Z")
Even if you’re a strong second amendment advocate who argues that people have a right to carry a gun for self-defense, what justification is there for somebody carrying six weapons into a supermarket? Was he planning on recruiting a militia? How about that for a start; limiting public carry laws in public spaces to one weapon. Let’s see the NRA argue against that proposal. Let’s hear them say out loud that people have an inalienable right to carry as many weapons as they want into a store even though ninety-nine times out of a hundred it means a mass shooting is about to happen. Let’s have the NRA take positions so outrageous that people wake up and repeal the second amendment. Not as a step towards total confiscation but as a step to reasonable sane gun laws instead of the nonsense we have now. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2021, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/18 "2021-03-27T04:20:31Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > This is one of the biggest problems with the 2nd Amendment, free-carry laws, concealed-carry, open-carry, etc. There is no difference between a law-abiding citizen, and a soon-to-be mass murderer, **up until the moment one opens fire on a crowd.** Even if one is toting AK-47s and masked up. That’s a question I want to ask somebody who argues in favor of carrying weapons. You’re driving through your town. You have your loaded gun with you. As you drive by the local elementary school, you see a man walking through the front door. He’s carrying an automatic rifle and several clips. Do you: 1. Use your weapon to shoot him and prevent the murder of dozens of children. 2. Honk your horn at him and give him a thumbs up to show your support for him exercising his constitutional rights. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2021, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/19 "2021-03-27T15:42:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You’re driving through your town. You have your loaded gun with you. > > As you drive by the local elementary school, you see a man walking through the front door. He’s carrying an automatic rifle and several clips. > > Do you: > > 1. Use your weapon to shoot him and prevent the murder of dozens of children. > 2. Honk your horn at him and give him a thumbs up to show your support for him exercising his constitutional rights. 1, of course! I’m a hero, and the dead person won’t be able to say otherwise. Now, when the School Resource Officer responds to the sound of shots fired, do they: 1. Blast away at the person standing there with a gun. 2. First ask if the person with a gun is a good guy or a bad guy. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793/20 "2021-03-27T18:08:33Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > First ask if the person with a gun is a good guy or a bad guy. That’s the problem with the “good guy with a gun” axiom. Sometimes it’s hard to tell who’s who [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alabama-police-idUSKCN1PV02C](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alabama-police-idUSKCN1PV02C) > Bradford, who was nearby, drew his own handgun. . .A Hoover police officer saw Bradford running toward the wounded teenager while holding a gun and the officer shot him three times from behind, [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-we-just-narrowly-avoid-another-shopping-mall-shooting/938793.md?page=2)