# Did Winona Ryder Just Miss Out On Life In Prison? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 7, 2002, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-winona-ryder-just-miss-out-on-life-in-prison/135654 "2002-11-07T03:58:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2002, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-winona-ryder-just-miss-out-on-life-in-prison/135654/1 "2002-11-07T03:58:22Z")
MODS: IMHO, This is more of a legal issue worth debating than Cafe Society. Of course, do what you must if so inclined… > [@](#): > > Actress Winona Ryder was convicted Wednesday of stealing $5,500 worth of high-fashion merchandise from Saks Fifth Avenue last year. The jury found the star of “Girl, Interrupted” guilty of felony grand theft and vandalism but cleared her of burglary, a count that required proof of advance intent. The panel reached the verdict after 5½ hours of deliberations over two days. She faces anywhere from probation to three years in prison. Sentencing is scheduled for Dec. 6. Source: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17926-2002Nov6.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17926-2002Nov6.html) 1. Was the vandalism conviction a felony? 2. Was the burglary charge (aquittal) also a felony? If Ryder had been convicted on all three counts, under California’s Three-Strikes would she be sentenced to 25 years to life? This begs the current issue - is California’s Three-Strikes policy cruel and unusual punishment? > [@](#): > > The Supreme Court is considering whether sentencing shoplifters, petty thieves and other minor criminals to life terms amounts to cruel and unusual punishment banned in the Constitution. > > Hearing oral arguments on two cases Tuesday, the justices took up California’s three-strikes- you’re-out law, the toughest in the nation, which California’s voters and the Legislature approved in 1994. It can produce the nation’s most severe sentences for repeat offenders convicted of minor crimes. > > The cases before the court concerned Leandro Andrade, who got 50 years for stealing nine children’s videotapes from a Kmart store, and Gary Ewing, serving 25-to-life for taking three golf clubs, stuffing them down his pants at a golf course. Source: [http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021106/ap\_wo\_en\_po/us\_supreme\_court\_three\_strikes\_3](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021106/ap_wo_en_po/us_supreme_court_three_strikes_3) IMHO, mandatory life for three non-violent felony convictions is wrong and should be overturned. ---
**Author:** ![Kalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Kalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalt)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2002, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-winona-ryder-just-miss-out-on-life-in-prison/135654/2 "2002-11-07T07:15:02Z")
each strike is a _prior_ conviction. these would have been simultaneous convictions. The purpose of the 3 strikes law is to punish (and discourage) repeat offenders, not people who commit a crime which happens to fall under several criminal statutes. it is normal to charge someone with the most possible counts. using those as ‘strikes’ would defeat the purpose of the statute (reduce # of repeat offenders) and would surely be unconstitutional if it meant she would have been facing life in prison because her actions happened to fall under 3 different felony statutes. now, if she does this two more times, and gets convicted two more times, she could be facing life in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2002, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-winona-ryder-just-miss-out-on-life-in-prison/135654/3 "2002-11-07T13:40:59Z")
I’m no expert on California law. However, judges in California have considerable discretion to not consider, in the interest of justice, an otherwise qualifying conviction as a strike. Appellant Andrade, the Kmart shoplifter, was previously conviced of misdemeanor theft, yes. But he was also found guilty of three counts of residential burglary and two federal counts of drug transportation. In addition, he was guilty of escape from federal prison. It is upon this history that the Three Strikes law rests. Needless to say, Ms. Ryder could not be convicted under the Three Strikes law, even if the jury had returned guilty votes on all counts. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![NutMagnet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ea5d25/32.png) [@NutMagnet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NutMagnet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2002, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-winona-ryder-just-miss-out-on-life-in-prison/135654/4 "2002-11-07T14:35:48Z")
The OP seems to have been answered, but I was wondering why she cut off the security tags with scissors (the vandalism charge)? What is the purpose? She ruins the garment and then steals it? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2002, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-winona-ryder-just-miss-out-on-life-in-prison/135654/5 "2002-11-07T16:00:37Z")
IIRC, the vandalism charge was a misdeamor. The felony she was convicted of was the Theft charge. The Burglary she was acquitted of was a felony too. And, as has been pointed out, there was no way she was eligible for life in prison. Winona used the scissors to cut the security tags from the clothes, so that the alarm at the door wouldn’t go off when she left without paying. If she did it correctly, the garments wouldn’t be ruined, only the security tags would. Again, IIRC, it was the security tags that were the basis of the charge. Whether or not the three strikes law is unconsitutional should be decided on a case by case basis. Boiling it down to whether 25 to life is too much for stealing videotapes is simplistic and ignoring the habitual criminal element of the charge. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2002, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-winona-ryder-just-miss-out-on-life-in-prison/135654/6 "2002-11-08T07:21:19Z")
The garments _were_ damaged – they had holes in them where the security tags had been removed. The garments were shown in court.